[Menvi-discuss] Music XML resources

Sun Mar 3 20:17:47 EST 2024

I’m sure Cela is on that list I published some time ago of libraries who have signed up to the supplementary catalogue, so they just need a big push to get the process finished and you would both have access.  They may have finished uploading all their catalogue of music titles, but they have to finish uploading all their catalogue (and I see a lot of CNIB created content in other areas) before access to the members supplementary catalogue is granted.  I guess this rule was put in place to ensure libraries actually do the upload process, not just use what is there.  But getting transcription departments to add new items to their libraries and then on to ABC is another whole story as I do have access to a great transcription service from BLVNZ, but it doesn’t make it out of the transcription service and into the library so it can be shared with others.

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Hi Shannon, I 100% echo what you said as a fellow Canadian. I think I used CNIB's transcription service like once, but the turnaround was just way too slow to be useful. I wish the contents of those sorts of transcription services can somehow be more accessible to those worldwide, not just the clients they specifically serve, which is what we're discussing on this thread right now.

The music contents of the old CNIB library is now on the Accessible Books Consortium (ABC), but CELA isn't signed up to ABC, so I can't download any of the contents. By the way, the bulk of the contents of the old CNIB library is RCM piano materials. Everything else makes up only about 10-15% of the collection.

And yeah, I wish I had direct access to the huge collection over at NLS. I am still able to browse and search the collection, but I can't download anything.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:45 PM Shannon Williams via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> > wrote:

The CNIB Library is now CELA Canadian Equitable Library Access and they do not have a Music Library anymore. CNIB will do Braille transcription for a fee and if you are a CNIB client they’ll do it for free, but you have to send them a digital or physical copy of the music and it takes 3-6 months minimum to get anything sent back to you. I’ve never used this service as I feel there should be a faster way to get music in alternate format. CNIB used to have a Music Library back in the 90s but I’m not sure where all that content went. I’d love to have access to the NLS Music Library but I don’t think that’s going to happen. Yes they are part of the Marikesh treaty along with CELA, but I don’t think either Library has made much of an effort to share content. 

Just my opinion.

Shannon

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I think it is worth noting though that there is a blanket copyright exception in the Marrakesh treaty that allows for libraries of the print disabled who are members and whose governments have signed up to this and created the necessary laws to share freely between those libraries and also directly with members of those libraries via the supplementary catalogue and this does include print music in alternate formats such as Braille and audio descriptions.

So a bigger push to see all libraries join who could and I would call out RNIB and Vision Australia in particular as two of the larger libraries of sheet music who have not yet got their catalogues uploaded would help a lot.  Then advocating and educating for libraries and foundations in less developed countries to finish the process of getting access.  NLS & CNIB seemed to have not finished the process of uploading their collections that is necessary before they can give individuals ability to download direct from ABC and I wonder if this also needs some advocacy with these libraries or with ABC/WPO to know whether this has stalled or whether the back catalogue that has to be uploaded is just too huge and is meaning those countries are harder to get finished.  

If most countries were all signed up, uploaded and individuals had access to this catalogue then it becomes a case of how to promote new materials added each month, or search for those without having to re-search the entire catalogue and whether individual private transcribers are able to donate anything via the library to be added.  I personally would not have an issue if I had paid for a transcribers time to have a book made by them to see it be donated for others to use also.  If those of us who can do this do then we will all be helping each other and any who can not.

Jeanie

Jeanie

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It should also be noted that the exceptions to the rules of copyright which Bookshare and the organizations have been using for texts have not been made for music. That’s why, until the DAISY Consortium, WIPO, and others have an official agreement to get blanket permission from music publishers, we need to think only in terms of listing availability instead of putting up the music itself. 

David

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