[Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces

Sun Jun 4 05:17:56 EDT 2023

Hi Ruby,

If you give me an easy to read list of the pieces for both main syllabus and alternatives in an e-mail I will have a search and see which of them I can find tomorrow.  It is getting late here so I am going to get some dinner and go to bed.  Usually the ABRSM Grade 8 always has a prelude and fugue for list A and most of those are going to be able to be found.  So if your student is willing to do the pieces we can find you music for then I think we have a good chance.  So don't stress, just send the list, smile.

Also, you have a much better chance of getting just the three pieces transcribed by either ABRSM or other transcribers.  So if we can't find what you need then my suggestion would be listen to the pieces and decide which 3 and just ask for those to be transcribed rather than the whole book.

Jeanie

Jeanie

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Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces

Thank you Genie and Ella, yes I agree what genie says that it will be easy if I can have BRF or XML music file, but how to get and where to get is my anxiety, I have written to Bill Mcann dancingdots whether they can transcribe the book of grade 8  ABRSM the latest syllabus
2023-2024 for me, bill hasn't responded, perhaps I will write to Albert today too if he can help me with the transcription. in the website of ABRSM under specific needs and under partially sighted and visually impaired, 2023-2024 syllabus isn't available of course, I did not write to them if they can get the BRF file for grade 8  of this latest syllabus, I'll try that as well today. The student is an adult, a nun from the congrigation Daughters Of Charity, Sister Magdelena She doesn't select on Her own anything but, leans on me too much. I told Her to go to some other teacher, She isn't listening, I tried my best to telling Her lot of obstacles are there, unless I have a copy in Braille, I cannot teach, this She doesn't understand, has no notion of what braille is, or what a blind person does to teach a student, Anyway, I don't know what to do, I am in a bad soop.Besides the melody of these pieces in grade Eight are not so much catchy, I like some of
the pieces of the alternative pieces, there is Danny   Boy,that is in
the list C and there is the second piece in list A   How to make Her
to buy  the alternative pieces I have to find a way. as Genie says, we love to teach music, so, we keep searching for different ways that are accessible for us. I'll let you know which pieces Sister and I choose.

Thank you a lot, I truely appreciate you both for your understanding me and trying your best to support me.

Thank you again.

Ruby.

On 6/4/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
> Yes I agree, Ruby, let us know what the specific pieces you are 
> looking for are and we can try to find them.
>
>
>
> I have just been on ABC and downloaded a bunch more repertoire books.  
> My plan over time is to catalogue the individual pieces within all of 
> these so that when someone needs an individual piece we will know if 
> it is tucked away in a book.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately it doesn’t look like CNIB did a good cataloguing job of 
> the RCM materials.  There are a lot of books just labelled as RCM 
> examination with no idea what grade or whether they are even piano, 
> voice, etc.  I will check our local library here in case they did any 
> better when they received them from ABC.  Otherwise it would be a case 
> of downloading them all and opening and reading.  I’m still a pretty 
> slow Braille reader so not feeling very excited about this, but I 
> might be somewhere quicker with notepad and screen reader, my askii interpretation is improving, lol.
>
>
>
> But I did notice hundreds of individual pieces of titles I recognised 
> as exam pieces on ABC, so will be happy to do a search once we know 
> those titles.
>
>
>
> Jeanie
>
> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Ella Yu via Menvi-discuss
> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 11:04 AM
> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy 
> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
> Cc: Ella Yu <ellaxyu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
>
>
>
> Hi all, RCM goes up to level 10 and then there's a grad level, just 
> for reference. Sadly, finding the actual repertoire books in braille 
> is very difficult, and is made worse by the new CNIB library thing 
> which seems to have removed a lot of older braille music titles. I 
> think the best course of action is to figure out which pieces you 
> need, and we can try to help you source them. Finding braille music is 
> very hard a lot of the time, and what is available is very 
> restrictive. Having optical music recognition helps a lot, but you still need sighted assistance to get it to work.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 3:38 PM Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss 
> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> > wrote:
>
> Hi Ruby,
>
> Has your student chosen her pieces yet?  Can you tell us what they are 
> and we can see if we can find a brf or even xml in another exam book 
> or sheet music.
>
> Have you contacted ABRSM special needs and asked them for these 
> specific pieces to be urgently transcribed?  Did you get a response?  
> You could also try contacting the publishers as listed in the print 
> book directly and see if there is any way they can release the xml or 
> similar file to you to convert to Braille.  I sometimes find that 
> making an e-mail a CC to several different departments or people 
> within an organisation makes it harder for them to all ignore, so keep trying.
>
> I think you should give up trying to find a way to convert the music 
> from pdf or scanned image as this is just not going to be good enough 
> for you as a teacher.  Even if you got all the notes, which is 
> unlikely you will be missing essential articulation, fingering and 
> many other things.  An existing brf or xml will be much closer.
>
> If we can help you find a brf or xml do you have a way set up to edit 
> the Braille?  My suggestion is that you could either pay a transcriber 
> to compare the brf that isn't the original ABRSM and edit it to add 
> any small details that are different.  This should be much less 
> expensive than transcribing from scratch.  Or, you could go through 
> with your student either a few bars at a time or through a topic such 
> as all the dynamics in a piece, or the pedal marks, or the 
> articulation and get them to read out what it does so you can check 
> and edit them.  This is a little time consuming, but also might help 
> your student to become much more familiar with the pieces.
>
> The only other option is to pay to have them transcribed if you can.  
> I do understand how frustrating this all is.  I have been very 
> frustrated myself this past year with just how little is available and 
> I think over time it is easy to become desensitised to the hugegaping 
> cavern between what is available to a teacher in print and what in 
> Braille which is so crazily restrictive.  It is also impossible to 
> even add up all the extra hours spent to get to the same starting 
> point of having the music ready to begin teaching.  But, I guess we 
> love what we do and so somehow we find a way!
>
> If someone can tell me whether the RCM exams are the same Grade level 
> I can download the past ones from ABC and check through those also.
>
> Jeanie
>
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> Cc: ruby alphonse <rubyalphonse at gmail.com 
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> Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
>
> Hello list members, please can anyone tell me where to get braille 
> transcribed I need very urgently grade 8  2023-2024 syllabus a braille 
> copy to teach a student, there isn't BRF file available on the website 
> of ABRSM specific needs. This student wants to prepare from now on to 
> do the exams next year, so I cannot use the previous syllabus, so 
> please anyone knows where I can get hard copy of this Grade 8  ABRSM
> 2023-2024 syllabus. or BRF file, I can get them embossed here. Any 
> help is appreciated deeply.
>
> Thank you all in advance,
>
> Ruby.
>
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