[Menvi-discuss] Help with score

Wed Dec 27 03:07:25 EST 2023

Agree with this. I will add that in some scores, ornaments are written out
in a way that is optimized for playback, NOT for notation, so be careful of
that. When I edit in SMB, I have no need to change any braille table
settings in the screen reader or anything, I find that as long as you're
typing on the computer's keyboard in six-key entry (this should work on the
qwerty keyboard of the Mantis), there shouldn't be any issues with braille
tables.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:50 PM Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <
menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:

> This might also depend on whether the person who created the musescore
> file has properly used the correct ornament tool and not just done some
> jerry rigged version that looks good on the score by creating lots of
> little notes, shrinking them, placing them in the correct position etc but
> not actually an ornament.  People do some weird things sometimes to make it
> look correct but of course the Braille doesn’t know this and just
> transcribes what is there.  So the quality of the original file can play a
> big part in what you end up with.
>
>
>
> Pleased you got it working though and if you do have trouble getting the
> display to work in terminal mode with SMB or other software for music do
> let us know.  I have a few tricks now to make things display correctly.
>
>
>
> You might also need to set the display to computer Braille when writing or
> editing in the Braille editor so that it doesn’t try and think any of your
> music notes are words with incorrect contractions and try to fix them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Menvi-discuss *On Behalf Of *Dewald van Deventer via Menvi-discuss
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 7:59 PM
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> *Cc:* Dewald van Deventer <dewaldvandeventer at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Menvi-discuss] Help with score
>
>
>
> Hi. Yes it's working fine now thanks. I've just noticed that, for a trill
> or appajatora they use different conventions:
>
> In one case,like Musescore Braille editor displays it as notes followed by
> the 126 345 sign, followed by the actual notes you must play.
>
> Where others just give you the fingerings.
>
> It's quite weird.
>
>
>
> If we can do a test to see if everything is working well, that would be
> great!
>
> I don't use Victor Reader or KeyBraille. The Mantis has only an Editor and
> aBraille Editor.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Dewald
>
>
>
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> On 27 Dec 2023, at 02:38, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <
> menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Dewald,
>
>
>
> Did you manage to get this working?
>
> If not can I check the basic steps you have used.  I have the Brailliant
> 40 which is the same software as the Mantis.
>
>
>
>    1. Open Musescore and open the musescore file you downloaded.
>    2. Go to File/Export and select xml from the first drop down box.  In
>    the second drop down box which you can arrow to after closing the first one
>    with space bar or enter I usually select uncompressed, but maybe sao Mai is
>    fine with compressed, I don’t use the older legacy one. Tab to export and
>    save your file.
>    3. Open SMB and use Ctrl N to create a new print document.
>    4. Press Alt F11 to insert a musicxml and choose your file.
>    5. Press Ctrl T to translate.
>    6. Save your new Braille music file as brf.
>
> Now it is quite possible that you might not be seeing music or anything
> else with your Mantis in sao Mai until some further set up is done of
> screen reader and other settings.  So to eliminate all of the connection
> issues between the mantis, screen reader and various software can you move
> the file you have created to the books folder of the Mantis either by
> connecting it to your PC or via SD card, etc.  Once it is in the books
> folder go to Victor reader from the main menu and then select book list and
> find the file and open it and see how it looks.
>
>
>
> If this is looking fine here then we can start working on how to get your
> Mantis connected correctly so that you can use it for music with the PC and
> edit the music also in the key brf editor.
>
>
>
> If the music doesn’t show correctly at this point can you e-mail either me
> or Ella the musescore file or a link to download it from musescore.com so
> we can give it a test? And maybe give us a heads up as to what bars these
> strange symbols you are seeing are in.  I often find it useful to open the
> MuseScore file and take a look at a bar directly if the braille isn’t
> making sense, usually it is something I don’t know, rather than something
> Sao Mai has got wrong.
>
>
>
> Jeanie
>
>
>
> If you want to be able to edit the filefurther on the Mantis then use the
> Key brf editor as Ella described, but I find the Victor reader easier to
> navigate for just reading.
>
>
>
> *From:* Menvi-discuss *On Behalf Of *Dewald van Deventer via Menvi-discuss
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 11:38 PM
> *To:* menvi-discuss at menvi.org
> *Cc:* Dewald van Deventer <dewaldvandeventer at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [Menvi-discuss] Help with score
>
>
>
> Hi list. I'm not sure if my message came through yet or not.
>
> I downloaded a Chopin Nocturne score yesterday, and tried to convert it
> with Sau Mai Braille on my PC.
>
> When I read it on my Braille display, a Mantis from APH, I see some pretty
> weird signs that I don't know.
>
> Are there some settings that I must change in Sau Mai, or did I forget a
> step?
>
> I downloaded the file from Musescore, imported it into Musescore, exported
> it as mxl, imported that into Sau Mai and transcribed it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Dewald
>
>
>
> Dewald van Deventer
>
> Happy Pianos Tuning and Servicing
>
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>
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