[Menvi-discuss] Help with score

Wed Dec 27 02:49:35 EST 2023

This might also depend on whether the person who created the musescore file has properly used the correct ornament tool and not just done some jerry rigged version that looks good on the score by creating lots of little notes, shrinking them, placing them in the correct position etc but not actually an ornament.  People do some weird things sometimes to make it look correct but of course the Braille doesn’t know this and just transcribes what is there.  So the quality of the original file can play a big part in what you end up with.

Pleased you got it working though and if you do have trouble getting the display to work in terminal mode with SMB or other software for music do let us know.  I have a few tricks now to make things display correctly.

You might also need to set the display to computer Braille when writing or editing in the Braille editor so that it doesn’t try and think any of your music notes are words with incorrect contractions and try to fix them.

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Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Help with score

Hi. Yes it's working fine now thanks. I've just noticed that, for a trill or appajatora they use different conventions:

In one case,like Musescore Braille editor displays it as notes followed by the 126 345 sign, followed by the actual notes you must play. 

Where others just give you the fingerings. 

It's quite weird. 

If we can do a test to see if everything is working well, that would be great! 

I don't use Victor Reader or KeyBraille. The Mantis has only an Editor and aBraille Editor. 

Thanks

Dewald

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On 27 Dec 2023, at 02:38, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> > wrote:

Hi Dewald,

Did you manage to get this working?

If not can I check the basic steps you have used.  I have the Brailliant 40 which is the same software as the Mantis.

1.	Open Musescore and open the musescore file you downloaded.
2.	Go to File/Export and select xml from the first drop down box.  In the second drop down box which you can arrow to after closing the first one with space bar or enter I usually select uncompressed, but maybe sao Mai is fine with compressed, I don’t use the older legacy one. Tab to export and save your file.
3.	Open SMB and use Ctrl N to create a new print document.
4.	Press Alt F11 to insert a musicxml and choose your file.
5.	Press Ctrl T to translate.
6.	Save your new Braille music file as brf.

Now it is quite possible that you might not be seeing music or anything else with your Mantis in sao Mai until some further set up is done of screen reader and other settings.  So to eliminate all of the connection issues between the mantis, screen reader and various software can you move the file you have created to the books folder of the Mantis either by connecting it to your PC or via SD card, etc.  Once it is in the books folder go to Victor reader from the main menu and then select book list and find the file and open it and see how it looks.

If this is looking fine here then we can start working on how to get your Mantis connected correctly so that you can use it for music with the PC and edit the music also in the key brf editor.

If the music doesn’t show correctly at this point can you e-mail either me or Ella the musescore file or a link to download it from musescore.com so we can give it a test? And maybe give us a heads up as to what bars these strange symbols you are seeing are in.  I often find it useful to open the MuseScore file and take a look at a bar directly if the braille isn’t making sense, usually it is something I don’t know, rather than something Sao Mai has got wrong.

Jeanie

If you want to be able to edit the filefurther on the Mantis then use the Key brf editor as Ella described, but I find the Victor reader easier to navigate for just reading. 

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Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Help with score

Hi list. I'm not sure if my message came through yet or not. 

I downloaded a Chopin Nocturne score yesterday, and tried to convert it with Sau Mai Braille on my PC. 

When I read it on my Braille display, a Mantis from APH, I see some pretty weird signs that I don't know. 

Are there some settings that I must change in Sau Mai, or did I forget a step? 

I downloaded the file from Musescore, imported it into Musescore, exported it as mxl, imported that into Sau Mai and transcribed it.  

Thanks

Dewald

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