[Menvi-discuss] My first mail

[Siddharth Keshri]

Hi,
Yes. Thanks allot. Since I have just started learning this software,
most of the things are new to me. Such as: staff, bar and others. But,
I would like to know more about these things from you in the future.

On 12/14/23, Marc Sabatella via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
> MuseScore is definitely a great option for blind users wishing to create
> music notation.  I'm one of the many developers of the program, and I've
> worked on the accessibility features over the years.
>
> Muse Hub is an optional installation program you need only if you wish to
> use the equally optional Muse Sounds library,  Those sounds are pretty
> amazing and would be worth investigating eventually, but for now, you can
> safely ignore it.
>
> Here are some tutorials I created to help people install and use MuseScore
> using keyboard and screen reader:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpx1s2WkyujYgLkA0r30sQGjVhWl4NKZ3
>
> There are five videos in the playlist - on installing, score setup,
> entering music, adding markings, and a general tour of the user interface.
> I also have a whole course on learning MuseScore at
> https://masteringmusescore.com, and other resources as well.
>
> LilyPond is also great software and being text-based, is also completely
> accessible.  But using it is difficult as it's like learning a new
> language, and it's doubly difficult for blind users because you really
> can't tell if you've made mistakes entering the music other than by handing
> the resulting PDF to a sighted musicians to read.  MuseScore allows you to
> read what you are writing more directly, as well as to hear the playback.
>
> When it comes to text-based systems, another one worth looking into is
> ABC.  I'm a sighted educator and the first time I worked with a blind
> student was before MuseScore was an option.  We considered both ABC and
> LilyPond, and ended up using ABC as it's easier to learn and read and
> write.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 9:53 PM Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <
> menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Not sure what you mean by MuseHub?  This isn't something I've used.
>>
>> A few basic things to get you started with navigation:
>> Use right/left arrows to move to the next/previous note.
>> Use Alt plus right/left arrows to move to every element e.g. note, finger
>> number, pedal mark, dynamic, bar line, etc in order.  This will also step
>> down the notes of a chord, or through voices individually which can be a
>> bit confusing to begin with.
>> Use Alt + Up/Down arrows to move down the notes of a chord, move down a
>> voice, or move down to the next staff.
>> Use Ctrl + left/right arrows to move bar by bar
>> Ctrl F and type a measure number then press enter to jump straight to
>> that
>> bar.
>> Space bar toggles Playback/Pause
>>
>> There are two modes, normal and note input, press N to toggle between
>> them.
>> Use note input mode to input notes and normal mode to edit pretty much
>> everything else.
>>
>> To input notes just type the letter name.
>> You can type numbers to change durations.  In normal mode this will
>> change
>> the note you are on, in input mode it will change for the next one you
>> are
>> about to enter.
>>
>> There are all kinds of shortcuts to add slur, tenuto, text, staccato, add
>> a note to a chord etc.
>>
>> Let me know if I can help further or if you have questions.
>>
>> Jeanie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Siddharth Keshri via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 5:12 PM
>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy <
>> menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> Cc: Siddharth Keshri <siddhkesh at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] My first mail
>>
>> Hello Geanie,
>> Thank you so much for your reply. I have downloaded Musescore and musehub
>> software. I was able to install musescore properly. But, when I tried to
>> install musehub, it did not prompt me for the installation, such as click
>> next button etc. I am trying to learn musescore from their hand book of
>> help section.
>> Thank you so much once again.
>> On 12/13/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> wrote:
>> > I would second Ella’s suggestion of giving MuseScore a go.
>> >
>> > It is very accessible and there are a few of us here who are quite
>> > proficient with it that can assist you if you need some help.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The advantages of using MuseScore over the text based system are that
>> > you can hear the music as you are inputting it.  You can export to mp3
>> > or to xml to import into other music software.  It creates good
>> > looking fully customisable print scores and with a screen reader will
>> > read out all the notes and other elements to you as you input them.
>> > There is also a vast library of music created by other users that you
>> can download from.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you want to give it a go just go to www.musescor.org
>> > <http://www.musescor.org>  to download, it is free.  It works straight
>> > away with your screen reader without any Add ons, but you will need to
>> > learn some how to navigate around it and other shortcuts.  There is a
>> > basic user guide for accessibility for this that you can download to
>> > read and I have lists of shortcuts and other tips.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope that helps
>> >
>> > Jeanie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Ella Yu via Menvi-discuss
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 5:39 PM
>> > To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> > <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> > Cc: Ella Yu <ellaxyu at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] My first mail
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, I have not used Lilypond personally, but I agree with Bruce's
>> thoughts.
>> > Lilypond is accessible because it is a completely text-based system,
>> > but you kinda have to think like a coder, so it is not intuitive. If
>> > you want to notate music in notation software, learning something like
>> > MuseScore (which is also very accessible) would be far more efficient.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 PM Bruce Maguire via Menvi-discuss
>> > <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Siddarth
>> >
>> > Welcome to the list. I haven't used Lillypond extensively, but I did a
>> > bit of experimenting with it earlier this year as part of my search
>> > for an accessible and accurate way of getting my musical compositions
>> > out of my head and on to the page with a view to sharing them. Because
>> > Lillypond is text-based (a bit like LaTeX in the maths world) it's
>> > potentially very accessible, but you have to be comfortable with
>> > thinking symbolically and applying rules to construct musical notes
>> > from their individual elements (pitch, duration, etc.). One
>> > significant limitation with Lillypond is that you can't export its
>> > notation to other formats like MusicXML, unless there have been recent
>> > changes that I'm not aware of. You can, however, print scores as pdf
>> > files, and you can share the notation files that contain the text with
>> other Lillypond users, but overall it's a fairly closed system.
>> > That might be fine of course, depending on what you want to do with it.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>> > <mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org> > On Behalf Of Siddharth
>> > Keshri via Menvi-discuss
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:13 PM
>> > To: Menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:Menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> > Cc: Siddharth Keshri <siddhkesh at gmail.com <mailto:siddhkesh at gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > Subject: [Menvi-discuss] My first mail
>> >
>> > Hello friends,
>> > I am Siddharth Kumar Keshri from India. I like to play flute and
>> keyboard.
>> > Friends, I have a question regarding Lilypond music software. Does
>> > anyone from this list use it? If yes, then kindly share your
>> > experience regarding its accessibility. I am asking this question,
>> > because on their website called lilypond.org <http://lilypond.org> ,
>> > they have mentioned, that some Visually Impaired people also use this
>> > software; as it is a text based application.
>> > --
>> > With warm regards
>> > Siddharth Kumar Keshri
>> >
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>> With warm regards
>> Siddharth Kumar Keshri
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With warm regards
Siddharth Kumar Keshri