[Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music

Wed Sep 5 22:17:17 EDT 2012

Thanks but at this time in my life I need to just find a job...after 
all...no, scratch it, I won't say what is on my mind, instead, I'll say 
that time is precious, and I don't want to waste it on more and more 
college. Dig me jazz cat?
Thanks for the offer, but no I won't go to Hayward, out of the question.

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On 9/5/2012 6:29 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> Hey Chella,
> You should consider coming to CSU East Bay. They are really close to 
> where you are living, (In Hayward), and I am straitening up the 
> college for blind music students. That way other blind musicians will 
> have an easy time. I'll also be there for the next 3 years. DOR should 
> pay for it if you come in as a transfer and there are plenty of 
> scholarships for musician women to help pay for housing and books.
> It is a 4 year college with a masters as well, but it is a BA program 
> and not a BM.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message----- From: Chela Robles
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:52 PM
> To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org
> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine 
> WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>
> Yes I did, but only for a couple years, one year at a four year college
> and the other at a two year college, and get this, nothing was
> accessible, so I'm now taking customer service course at a place called
> Mount Diablo Adult Ed school but the location is different, in fact it
> is at a place called Eastbay Works here in Concord, California, where I
> live and not too far from where I live smiles...will take paratransit
> there come September 24th through the 28th. I feel like I'm repeating
> myself here, yes, I went to college...their first blind student actually
> so they knew nothing.
>
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> On 9/5/2012 5:41 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>> no, three sixteenths would equal a dotted eighth. You went to 
>> college, no?
>>
>>
>>
>> At 06:21 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>> But, I have to ask, if three 16ths equal an 8th, why not replace 
>>> that with the 8th?
>>>
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>>> On 9/5/2012 3:57 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>> No. They're still sixteenth notes brailled as one sixteenth note, 
>>>> and three
>>>> eighth notes.
>>>>
>>>> Debra
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
>>>> Biggs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM
>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine 
>>>> WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn
>>>> Braille Music
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> So there can be 16 rests that are eighth notes? I'd think that 
>>>> would be more
>>>>
>>>> dots...
>>>> I've read 16th notes around groupings, but I don't remember if they 
>>>> are in
>>>> the groups or not...
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bettie Downing
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole
>>>> AndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>
>>>> Never.  If a group of 16th notes is preceded by a sixteenth rest 
>>>> rather than
>>>>
>>>> a note (i.e. one 16th rest and 3 sixteenth notes) the whole thing is
>>>> grouped.  Then the first sixteenth is a rest and the 3 remaining 
>>>> notes are
>>>> eighths in the grouping.  This cannot be done if the following note 
>>>> is an
>>>> eighth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes; sixteenth rests are grouped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debra
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon 
>>>>> Keith Biggs
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>> SixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> But I don't think you group rests. 16th rests are always the m.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Debra Baxley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>> SixteenthNotes/Rests
>>>>>
>>>>> In Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget grouping--four sixteenths are grouped as one 
>>>>> sixteenth note,
>>>>> and three eighth notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debra
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And Sixteenth
>>>>> Notes/Rests In Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>> well, counting the number of notes per beat and per measure is
>>>>> probably helpful. 16 16th notes or one whole note with space around
>>>>> it. That's a huge difference metrically, as well as spacially.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless it's an extremely short pick up bar, you're not going to see
>>>>> a bar containing a single sixteenth note on its own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even a couple sixteenths, four eighths, and a quarter note
>>>>> shouldn't be hard to figure out, since there are just lots of notes
>>>>> in one bar, so some of them are obviously very short.
>>>>>
>>>>> At 03:39 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>> I still have a hard time determining whole and sixteenth in music,
>>>>>> no, not by ear, but by reading the braille music, any other tips
>>>>>> other than what I read as follows from Bettye Krolick's book, How
>>>>>> To Read Braille Music An Introduction Second Edition: ""Count the
>>>>>> beats in  the measure, and it will be easy to decide whether a
>>>>>> note has a large or a small value."
>>>>>> Call me Braille Music dyslexic, but I still do not get it! Please
>>>>>> explain how you determine the two seeing as is dots 3 and 6 in the
>>>>>> lower cell define both ultimately whether it be a rest or a note?
>>>>>> Any other tricks to determine Sixteenth and whole all, that would
>>>>>> be greatly appreciated. I told my friend off list that it is hard
>>>>>> for me to decipher and would like to do so eventually, but as soon
>>>>>> as I see it, I revert back to playing by ear, don't gasp now, but
>>>>>> that is how I learned how to play music originally, in fact, I
>>>>>> didn't learn braille music until 2004 and part of 2005, at the
>>>>>> Orientation Center for the Blind in Albany California, and only
>>>>>> one braille instructor a fine pianist, taught me the basic, but
>>>>>> then gave up on me when I had a hard time determining the two
>>>>>> types Whole and Sixteenth...so I'm taking it upon myself to learn
>>>>>> it on my own spare time and I do remember all the other note/rest
>>>>>> types so that is good to know from the only music book I do have
>>>>>> the Bettye Krolick one, may she rest in peace and always be 
>>>>>> remembered!
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> experience."
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