[Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music

Wed Sep 5 21:29:45 EDT 2012

Hey Chella,
You should consider coming to CSU East Bay. They are really close to where 
you are living, (In Hayward), and I am straitening up the college for blind 
music students. That way other blind musicians will have an easy time. I'll 
also be there for the next 3 years. DOR should pay for it if you come in as 
a transfer and there are plenty of scholarships for musician women to help 
pay for housing and books.
It is a 4 year college with a masters as well, but it is a BA program and 
not a BM.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chela Robles
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:52 PM
To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn 
Braille Music

Yes I did, but only for a couple years, one year at a four year college
and the other at a two year college, and get this, nothing was
accessible, so I'm now taking customer service course at a place called
Mount Diablo Adult Ed school but the location is different, in fact it
is at a place called Eastbay Works here in Concord, California, where I
live and not too far from where I live smiles...will take paratransit
there come September 24th through the 28th. I feel like I'm repeating
myself here, yes, I went to college...their first blind student actually
so they knew nothing.

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On 9/5/2012 5:41 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> no, three sixteenths would equal a dotted eighth. You went to college, no?
>
>
>
> At 06:21 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>> But, I have to ask, if three 16ths equal an 8th, why not replace that 
>> with the 8th?
>>
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>> On 9/5/2012 3:57 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>> No. They're still sixteenth notes brailled as one sixteenth note, and 
>>> three
>>> eighth notes.
>>>
>>> Debra
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
>>> Biggs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM
>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine 
>>> WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn
>>> Braille Music
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> So there can be 16 rests that are eighth notes? I'd think that would be 
>>> more
>>>
>>> dots...
>>> I've read 16th notes around groupings, but I don't remember if they are 
>>> in
>>> the groups or not...
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bettie Downing
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole
>>> AndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>
>>> Never.  If a group of 16th notes is preceded by a sixteenth rest rather 
>>> than
>>>
>>> a note (i.e. one 16th rest and 3 sixteenth notes) the whole thing is
>>> grouped.  Then the first sixteenth is a rest and the 3 remaining notes 
>>> are
>>> eighths in the grouping.  This cannot be done if the following note is 
>>> an
>>> eighth.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes; sixteenth rests are grouped.
>>>>
>>>> Debra
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
>>>> Biggs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>> SixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> But I don't think you group rests. 16th rests are always the m.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Debra Baxley
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>> SixteenthNotes/Rests
>>>>
>>>> In Braille Music
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget grouping--four sixteenths are grouped as one sixteenth 
>>>> note,
>>>> and three eighth notes.
>>>>
>>>> Debra
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And Sixteenth
>>>> Notes/Rests In Braille Music
>>>>
>>>> well, counting the number of notes per beat and per measure is
>>>> probably helpful. 16 16th notes or one whole note with space around
>>>> it. That's a huge difference metrically, as well as spacially.
>>>>
>>>> Unless it's an extremely short pick up bar, you're not going to see
>>>> a bar containing a single sixteenth note on its own.
>>>>
>>>> Even a couple sixteenths, four eighths, and a quarter note
>>>> shouldn't be hard to figure out, since there are just lots of notes
>>>> in one bar, so some of them are obviously very short.
>>>>
>>>> At 03:39 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> I still have a hard time determining whole and sixteenth in music,
>>>>> no, not by ear, but by reading the braille music, any other tips
>>>>> other than what I read as follows from Bettye Krolick's book, How
>>>>> To Read Braille Music An Introduction Second Edition: ""Count the
>>>>> beats in  the measure, and it will be easy to decide whether a
>>>>> note has a large or a small value."
>>>>> Call me Braille Music dyslexic, but I still do not get it! Please
>>>>> explain how you determine the two seeing as is dots 3 and 6 in the
>>>>> lower cell define both ultimately whether it be a rest or a note?
>>>>> Any other tricks to determine Sixteenth and whole all, that would
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. I told my friend off list that it is hard
>>>>> for me to decipher and would like to do so eventually, but as soon
>>>>> as I see it, I revert back to playing by ear, don't gasp now, but
>>>>> that is how I learned how to play music originally, in fact, I
>>>>> didn't learn braille music until 2004 and part of 2005, at the
>>>>> Orientation Center for the Blind in Albany California, and only
>>>>> one braille instructor a fine pianist, taught me the basic, but
>>>>> then gave up on me when I had a hard time determining the two
>>>>> types Whole and Sixteenth...so I'm taking it upon myself to learn
>>>>> it on my own spare time and I do remember all the other note/rest
>>>>> types so that is good to know from the only music book I do have
>>>>> the Bettye Krolick one, may she rest in peace and always be 
>>>>> remembered!
>>>>>
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