[Menvi-discuss] [braille-music-chat] Cross posted question about trumpet fingering

Wed Feb 1 09:25:14 EST 2012

Hi, Jacqui,

I would go with dots 1-3 to indicate open for that G.  

Ø  Whatever the answer to above I'm presuming I braille whichever sign we
decide upon directly after the note as in fingering for piano etc. 

Yes,, that’s right.

Use dot 1 for first finger, dots 1-2 for second, dots 1-2-3 for third
finger.  As with so many things with respect to special signs in notation,
you will almost never see a fingering written into a trumpet part.   I don’t
think I have ever seen the sign for open(as in no valves pressed)  fingering
in trumpet music in over 42 years of reading though.  I would include a
transcriber’s note documenting that dots 1-3 indicates open fingering, that
Is, no valves are pressed.  

For indicating muted passages, you will just put the word “Mute” or some
abbreviation like “Str. Mute” for straight mute.  Generally, just follow the
print score.  When it’s time to remove the mute, the print should say “Open”
or words to that effect and you will just braille that indication too.
Notice that the term “open” has two different applications here.  We can say
something like “play that note open”, meaning with no valves pressed.  Or we
can say, “Play that section open”, meaning play it with no mute in your
trumpet.

BTW, do you know how many trumpet players it takes to change a light bulb? 
Five. One to handle the bulb and four to tell him how much better they
could've done it. 

OK, I cannot resist one more (remember, I am a trumpet player myself so I
have a license to tease my fellow trumpeters).  Those listening to a screen
reader may need to go back and have it spell the key word in the following
joke for you:

In an extreme emergency a jazz trumpeter was hired at the last minute to
come in to substitute in a symphony orchestra concert without ever
rehearsing with the orchestra.  Everything went fine through the first
movement, when she had some really hair-raising solos, but in the second
movement she started improvising wildly when she wasn't supposed to play at
all. 
After the concert the conductor came round looking for an explanation. She
said, "I looked in the score and it said 'tacit'-- so I took it!" 

HTH,

Bill

Bill McCann
Founder and President of Dancing Dots since 1992
www.DancingDots.com
Tel: [001] 610-783-6692 

From: braille-music-chat at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:braille-music-chat at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CONN, Jacqui
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:34 PM
To: braille-music-chat at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [braille-music-chat] Cross posted question about trumpet fingering

Help please.

I am transcribing for my first trumpet student. I'm on page one of the
primer and already have three questions - so far. I've looked in Bana 97, De
Garmo and International Braille Music Manual.

Do I treat the o under the open g as a letter o, as the o for open string
etc (dots 1,3) or the number zero? As the letter o signifies an open sound
and often indicates directions for mute do we save the dot 1,3 for later? 

Whatever the answer to above I'm presuming I braille whichever sign we
decide upon directly after the note as in fingering for piano etc. 

For the note e which depresses valves one and two do I finger this as I
would for a piano chord?

Can't wait to get to page 2.

Jacqui

Jacqui Conn| STATE WIDE EDUCATION ADVISOR (Braille Music)

Disability Services Support Unit | Student Services Division
Department of Education and Training 
17 Churchill St Buranda   Q     4102 
T +617 3238 3740  F+617 3238 3857 
E Jacqui.Conn at deta.qld.gov.au  

****************************************************************************
*********************** This message (including attachments) is intended for
the addressee named above. It may also be confidential, privileged and/or
subject to copyright. If you wish to forward this message to others, you
must first obtain the permission of the author.If you are not the addressee
named above, you must not disseminate, copy, communicate or otherwise use or
take any action in reliance on this message. You understand that any
privilege or confidentiality attached to this message is not waived, lost or
destroyed because you have received this message in error. If you have
received this message in error please notify the sender and delete from any
computer. Unless explicitly attributed, the opinions expressed in this
message do not necessarily represent the official position or opinions of
the State of Queensland or the Department of Education and Training. Whilst
all care has been taken, the Department of Education and Training disclaims
all liability for loss or damage to person or property arising from this
message being infected by computer virus or other contamination.
****************************************************************************
*********************** 

__._,_.___

Reply to
<mailto:Jacqui.CONN at deta.qld.gov.au?subject=Re%3A%20Cross%20posted%20%20ques
tion%20about%20trumpet%20fingering> sender | Reply to
<mailto:braille-music-chat at yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Cross%20posted%20
%20question%20about%20trumpet%20fingering> group | Reply
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/braille-music-chat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbWJrc2l0
BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzNDMyNDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5Nzc1MwRtc2dJZAM4NzgE
c2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzI4MDU2NDE0?act=reply&messageNum=878> via
web post |
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/braille-music-chat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYXM2MWtj
BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzNDMyNDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5Nzc1MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNs
awNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjgwNTY0MTQ-> Start a New Topic 

Messages in this topic
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/braille-music-chat/message/868;_ylc=X3oDMTMzb
DBsMDJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzNDMyNDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5Nzc1MwRtc2dJZ
AM4NzgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzI4MDU2NDE0BHRwY0lkAzg2OA-->  (4) 

Recent Activity: 

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/braille-music-chat;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcGVpYTdzBF9TA
zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzNDMyNDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5Nzc1MwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z
2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjgwNTY0MTQ-> Visit Your Group 

<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbWM4Y2ltBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMzN
DMyNDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5Nzc1MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyODA1NjQxN
A--> Description: Yahoo! Groups

Switch to:
<mailto:braille-music-chat-traditional at yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Deli
very%20Format:%20Traditional> Text-Only,
<mailto:braille-music-chat-digest at yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%
20Digest> Daily Digest •
<mailto:braille-music-chat-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
Unsubscribe •  <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Use

.

Description:
http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=33432416/grpspId=1705897753/msgId
=878/stime=1328056414/nc1=5758223/nc2=4025373/nc3=3848641

__,_._,___

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://menvi.org/pipermail/menvi-discuss_menvi.org/attachments/20120201/6283163c/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 2303 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://menvi.org/pipermail/menvi-discuss_menvi.org/attachments/20120201/6283163c/attachment.gif>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image002.gif
Type: image/gif
Size: 43 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://menvi.org/pipermail/menvi-discuss_menvi.org/attachments/20120201/6283163c/attachment-0001.gif>