[Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Wed Jul 6 00:44:33 EDT 2011

Hey Bill,
So doesn't Goodfeal come with Lime aloud and Sharp-eye?
Because I got a CD titled "Goodfeal" and I'm pretty sure I installed Lime.
Thanks,

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From: Bill 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:05 PM
To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy' 
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Thanks, Brandon, for your timely comments.  One clarification though.  Yu wrote:

Ø  Sibelius and GOODFEELS are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale 

GOODFEEL provides braille music translation and is integrated with the Lime notation software.  Lime is comparable to Sibelius and to Finale but only Lime combined with GOODFEEL can provide both an accessible "Talking Score" as well as automatic braille music transcription.

Ø  Sonar has the features of  logic and proTools combined.

Yes, SONAR is Windows-based digital audio workstation software.  Many of the concepts incorporated in SONAR such as quantizing, adding audio effects, mixing down to two-track stereo, are common between SONRA and Pro Tools/Logic.  But these latter programs run under the Macintosh environment.  The level of independent access to these Mac-based programs is not nearly as high as what we have achieved with access to SONR via the CakeTalking for SONAR scripts and tutorial.

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From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith (Biggs)
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:14 PM
To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Because these are extra programs not covered in the Mac or Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom Scientific will really be able to help you unfortunately. All they will say is Voice-Over works best with ProTools and Jaws works best with Sonar.

There are several listsirves of blind engineers that DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of DancingDots) should be able to assist you in getting the best set-up for your student. 

But either the student or the school will need to get a windows machine with Sonar if the student is going to do anything more extensive than hitting stop, record and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale and Sonar has the features of  logic and proTools combined. (The only reason why schools teach those 3 are because they are advertised the most and are the standard).

I would really love to know if there is a way schools can teach their blind students the technology they can use when they only have technology that isn't accessible. (That way students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of water trying to figure out how to translate two languages when they know neither of them!)

Thanks,

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From: Brandon Keith (Biggs) 

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM

To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy 

Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Hello,

Those 3 programs are very inaccessible. ProTools is becoming more accessible, but it is still very difficult to learn and operate. We are trying to get it better, but most blind audio engineers use Sonar from Dancing Dots.

I ran to a lot of the same problems your student will face: No Sonar support at school and having to learn everything on my own to do what my sighted classmates were doing with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other people have any suggestions for working with the translation barrier between ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.

Thanks,

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From: Dianne Moore 

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM

To: Menvi-discuss at menvi.org 

Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be taking the college Music Technology class.  This class is housed in a Mac lab where students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic.  This student uses JAWS as her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.

This student and I have already planned to have a reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will need to learn these programs for the course.  Is it possible for her to use these programs?  What do I need to know to accommodate her appropriately?  How does she need to prepare herself?  Do we need totally different software programs for her?

I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for providing her accommodations.  Can any of you give me some direction?  I am currently researching the three programs via goggle and their companies' sites and support links..attempting to learn as much as I can about these three program accessibilities.

Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair are currently on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this student needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will be doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.

Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective accommodations.

Urgently seeking direction,

Dianne Moore, MA

Reader Services Coordinator

GB204-32

517-483-5263

Office of Disability Support Services

Lansing Community College

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