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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hey Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So doesn't Goodfeal come with Lime aloud and
Sharp-eye?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Because I got a CD titled "Goodfeal" and I'm pretty sure I
installed Lime.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brandon Keith Biggs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=billlist1@comcast.net
href="mailto:billlist1@comcast.net">Bill</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=menvi-discuss@menvi.org
href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">'This is for discussing music and braille
literacy'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music
student</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Thanks, Brandon, for your timely
comments. One clarification though. Yu wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">Ø<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sibelius and
GOODFEELS are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">GOODFEEL provides braille
music translation and is integrated with the Lime notation software. Lime
is comparable to Sibelius and to Finale but only Lime combined with GOODFEEL can
provide both an accessible “Talking Score” as well as automatic braille music
transcription.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">Ø<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sonar has the
features of logic and proTools combined.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Yes,
SONAR is Windows-based digital audio workstation software. Many of the
concepts incorporated in SONAR such as quantizing, adding audio effects, mixing
down to two-track stereo, are common between SONRA and Pro Tools/Logic.
But these latter programs run under the Macintosh environment. The level
of independent access to these Mac-based programs is not nearly as high as what
we have achieved with access to SONR via the CakeTalking for SONAR scripts and
tutorial.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">rds,
Bill McCannage anyone who woullike to discuss specific siat 610-783-6692 Option
1. In call ns to give me a tuat<BR>Founder and President of Dancing Dots
since 1992<BR>www.DancingDots.com<BR>Tel: [001] 610-783-6692</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Brandon Keith (Biggs)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:14
PM<BR><B>To:</B> This is for discussing music and braille
literacy<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to
accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Because these are
extra programs not covered in the Mac or Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom
Scientific will really be able to help you unfortunately. All they will say is
Voice-Over works best with ProTools and Jaws works best with Sonar.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There are several
listsirves of blind engineers that DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of
DancingDots) should be able to assist you in getting the best set-up for your
student. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">But either the
student or the school will need to get a windows machine with Sonar if the
student is going to do anything more extensive than hitting stop, record
and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable with more features
than Finale and Sonar has the features of logic and proTools combined.
(The only reason why schools teach those 3 are because they are advertised the
most and are the standard).</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would really love
to know if there is a way schools can teach their blind students the technology
they can use when they only have technology that isn't accessible. (That way
students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of water trying to figure out how
to translate two languages when they know neither of them!)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Brandon Keith
Biggs</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Check out<BR>MySpace:
<A
href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs">http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</A><BR>Also
add me on facebook! <BR>brandonkeith<BR><A
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</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=brandonboy13@comcast.net href="mailto:brandonboy13@comcast.net">Brandon
Keith (Biggs)</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday, July 05,
2011 12:53 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=menvi-discuss@menvi.org href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">This is for
discussing music and braille literacy</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Menvi-discuss]
Please help needed to accommodate music
student<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hello,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Those 3 programs are
very inaccessible. ProTools is becoming more accessible, but it is still very
difficult to learn and operate. We are trying to get it better, but most blind
audio engineers use Sonar from Dancing Dots.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I ran to a lot of the
same problems your student will face: No Sonar support at school and having to
learn everything on my own to do what my sighted classmates were doing with
instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other people have any suggestions for
working with the translation barrier between ProTools and Sonar or using
ProTools, Logic and Finale.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Brandon Keith
Biggs</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Check out<BR>MySpace:
<A
href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs">http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</A><BR>Also
add me on facebook! <BR>brandonkeith<BR><A
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</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=moored14@lcc.edu href="mailto:moored14@lcc.edu">Dianne Moore</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday, July 05,
2011 9:34 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Menvi-discuss@menvi.org
href="mailto:Menvi-discuss@menvi.org">Menvi-discuss@menvi.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [Menvi-discuss]
Please help needed to accommodate music
student<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be
taking the college Music Technology class. This class is housed in a Mac
lab where students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic. This student uses
JAWS as her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not
compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This student and I have already planned to have a
reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will need to learn these programs
for the course. Is it possible for her to use these programs? What
do I need to know to accommodate her appropriately? How does she need to
prepare herself? Do we need totally different software programs for
her?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for
providing her accommodations. Can any of you give me some direction?
I am currently researching the three programs via goggle and their companies’
sites and support links….attempting to learn as much as I can about these three
program accessibilities.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair
are currently on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this
student needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will
be doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective
accommodations.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Urgently seeking direction,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Rage Italic'; FONT-SIZE: 20pt">Dianne Moore</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Raavi','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 20pt">,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Raavi','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
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