[Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
ruby alphonse
rubyalphonse at gmail.com
Sun Jun 4 13:29:24 EDT 2023
Thank you Ella, MuseScore may have XML files, when I want to download
it isn't letting me, I don't know why, if I can download, then I can
probably find option to which format to download usually!
Thank you so much Ella, I am really obliged to you.
you and Jeanie are really very understanding and supportive! God will
reward you for that.
I hope to get BRF or XML files so that I can get them embossed into
braille here.
Thank you again.
Ruby.
On 6/4/23, Ella Yu via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
> Hi Ruby, I'm sure we can locate music for the Preludes and Fugues of Bach.
> I know the whole set is available in several versions on the musescore.com
> sharing site, and there are probably several braille versions floating
> around that I'm not aware of. I can't really locate the braille versions of
> anything at the moment. Jeanie and I are planning to go through a bunch of
> braille music brf books and catalogue everything, but until then... here's
> what I can find on MuseScore for the other pieces.
>
> Mozart Sonata (several versions)
> <https://musescore.com/song/piano_sonata_no12_in_f_major_k332300k-84142>
>
> Schubert Moment Musicaux
> <https://musescore.com/user/11239551/scores/6366642> note the title is not
> in English, but press the play button to confirm it's the correct piece.
> Beethoven Sonata in E Major (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/piano_sonata_no9_op14_no1-12939?text=>
> Handel, Suite in F Minor
> <https://musescore.com/user/30015827/scores/6650838>
> Marianne Martinez Sonata in A 1st mvt
> <https://musescore.com/user/39375368/scores/7188777> This is not a common
> piece, so I'm surprised that I was able to find a transcription on
> MuseScore. It is very unlikely this piece is available in braille anywhere
> due to its rarity, so if you want the subsequent movements or an actual
> braille transcription, someone has to do it for you.
> Mozart Sonata in A Minor
> <https://musescore.com/user/2372401/scores/4990889>
> Rameau Les Cyclopes (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/rameau_les_cyclopes_from_pieces_de_clavecin-2608787>
> Scarlatti Sonata in D <https://musescore.com/user/34919177/scores/6653892>
> Haydn Sonata in D Major <https://musescore.com/user/4887176/scores/6873976>
> Tchaikovsky Barcarolle from The Seasons (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/the_seasons_no_6_june_barcarolle-1610790>
> Arensky Nocturne <https://musescore.com/user/5923151/scores/6749281>
> Chopin Mazukra in A Minor (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/mazurkas_op17-26069>
> Janacek In the Mists No1
> <https://musescore.com/derek_john_benton/in-the-mist-no-1-leos-janacek>
> Rachmaninoff Moment Musical in D flat
> <https://musescore.com/derek_john_benton/rachmaninoff-moment-musical-no-5-in-db-major>
> Schubert Impromptu in A flat (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/4_impromptus_d935-108871> I can confirm there
> is an actual braille transcription as an individual file in the ABC
> catalogue, but Jeanie needs to download it for us. I know CNIB transcribed
> the piece since I learned it in the past.
> Scumann Romanze
> <https://musescore.com/bntt-piano/romance-op-28-no-2-robert-schumann-romance-robert-schumann>
> The Beethoven Pathetique Sonata is incredibly popular. MuseScore
> transcriptions are readily available and I'm sure there's an actual braille
> transcription somewhere, I just can't locate it right now.
> Similarly, the Debussy Arabesques are very popular and I'm sure are readily
> available on MuseScore and in braille somewhere.
> Debussy Reverie (several versions available)
> <https://musescore.com/song/reverie-446/solo/piano>
> Bartok Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm
> <https://musescore.com/song/mikrokosmos_sz107-9782/solo/piano> This links
> to a listing of all pieces in Sz107, but I can confirm that there's
> transcriptions of most of the Bulgarian Dances in there.
>
> So as you can see, most of the pieces you listed are available on
> musescore.com and many are probably available in braille somewhere. The
> main ones that will be hard to locate/require specific transcriptions made
> are those by contemporary composers and those by composers that are not
> played often, such as female composers. The quality of those transcriptions
> vary, but since there's several versions to choose from for several of
> the pieces, that does help. MuseScore transcriptions are usually very
> accurate for the most part, so I generally consider them reliable.
> Hope this helps,
> Ella
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 5:10 AM ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss <
> menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeanie, I coppied from ABRSM website only the names, so, I will
>> paste it here, 1 J. S. Bach Prelude and Fugue in B-, BWV 866 Piano
>> Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 2 Mozart Allegro (1st movt from Sonata in F, K. 332) Piano Exam Pieces
>> 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 3 Schubert Moment musical in C+ minor (No. 4 from
>> Moments musicaux, D. 780)
>> Piano Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 4 J. S. Bach Prelude and Fugue in G, BWV 884 J. S. Bach: The
>> Well-Tempered Clavier, Part 2 (ABRSM)
>> 5 Beethoven Allegro (1st movt from Sonata in E, Op. 14 No. 1)
>> Beethoven: Sonata in E, Op. 14 No. 1 (ABRSM) or
>> Beethoven: The 35 Piano Sonatas, Vol. 1 (ABRSM) or
>> Beethoven: Complete Pianoforte Sonatas, Vol. 1 (ABRSM)
>> 6 Handel Prelude and Allegro (Fuga) (1st and 2nd movts
>> from Suite No. 8 in F minor, HWV 433)
>> Handel: Eight Great Suites, Book 2 (ABRSM) or
>> Handel: Keyboard Works, Vol. 1 (Bärenreiter)
>> 7 Martínez Allegro/Moderato (1st movt from Sonata in A) Piano Music by
>> Female Composers (4th revised edition
>> 2011) (Schott) or
>> Core Classics, Grades 7–8 (ABRSM)
>> 8 Mozart Andante grazioso and Vars. 1–6 (1st movt from
>> Sonata in A, K. 331)
>> Mozart: Sonata in A, K. 331 (ABRSM) or
>> Mozart: Sonatas for Pianoforte, Vol. 2 (ABRSM)
>> 9 Rameau Les cyclopes (from Pièces de clavecin) Rameau: Les cyclopes /
>> Les sauvages (Bärenreiter) or
>> Rameau: Pièces de clavecin (Heugel)
>> 10 D. Scarlatti Sonata in D, Kp. 443, L. 418 Pp. 4–7 from D.
>> Scarlatti: Selected Keyboard Sonatas,
>> Book 1 (ABRSM) or
>> D. Scarlatti: 200 Sonatas, Vol. 4 (EMB Zeneműkiadó)
>> 11 Haydn Allegro con brio (1st movt from Sonata in D,
>> Hob. XVI:37)
>> Haydn: Selected Keyboard Sonatas, Book 3 (ABRSM) or
>> Haydn: Complete Piano Sonatas, Vol. 3 (Wiener Urtext)
>> 12 Stephen
>> Hough
>> Toccatina (5th movt from Suite R-B) Stephen Hough: Suite R-B and Other
>> Enigmas
>> (Weinberger)
>> 13 C. Schumann Un poco agitato (No. 2 from Quatre pièces
>> fugitives, Op. 15)
>> C. Schumann: Romantic Piano Music (Vol. 2)
>> (Bärenreiter) or
>> C. Schumann: Quatre pièces fugitives Op. 15
>> (Breitkopf & Härtel)
>> 1 S. ColeridgeTaylor
>> Impromptu in B minor (No. 2 from
>> Two Impromptus)
>> Piano Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 2 Farrenc Étude in D-, Op. 41 No. 5 Piano Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024,
>> Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 3 Tchaikovsky Juin: Barcarolle (No. 6 from Les saisons, Op. 37b) Piano
>> Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 4 Arensky Nocturne in D- (No. 3 from 24 Characteristic
>> Pieces, Op. 36)
>> Arensky: 24 Characteristic Pieces, Op. 36 (Prhythm) or
>> Arensky: 24 Morceau characteristiques, Op. 36 (Alfred)
>> 5 Chopin Mazurka in A minor, Op. 17 No. 4 Chopin: Mazurkas (Henle)
>> 6 Ireland Columbine Ireland: The Collected Piano Works, Vol. 4
>> (Stainer & Bell)
>> 7 Janáček Andante (No. 1 from In the Mists) Janáček: In the Mists
>> (Bärenreiter)
>> 8 Rachmaninoff Moment musical in D-, Op. 16 No. 5 Rachmaninoff: Six
>> moments musicaux, Op. 16 (Simrock)
>> 9 Schubert Impromptu in A- (No. 2 from Four Impromptus,
>> Op. 142, D. 935)
>> Schubert: Impromptus, Op. 142 (ABRSM) or
>> Schubert: Impromptus and Moments musicaux (Henle)
>> or Core Classics, Grades 7–8 (ABRSM)
>> 10 Schumann Romanze in F+ (No. 2 from Drei Romanzen,
>> Op. 28)
>> Schumann: Drei Romanzen, Op. 28 (ABRSM)
>> 11 A. Beach A Hermit Thrush at Morn, Op. 92 No. 2 Piano Music of Amy
>> Beach (Hal Leonard) or
>> Amy Beach Piano Music (Dover)
>> A
>> B
>> 38
>> Piano 2023 & 2024 Grade 8 Practical Grades
>> COMPOSER PIECE / WORK / ARRANGER PUBLICATION (PUBLISHER)
>> 12 Beethoven Adagio cantabile (2nd movt from Sonata in
>> C minor ‘Pathétique’, Op. 13)
>> Beethoven: Sonata in C minor, Op. 13 (Pathétique)
>> (ABRSM) or
>> Beethoven: The 35 Piano Sonatas, Vol. 1 (ABRSM) or
>> Beethoven: Complete Pianoforte Sonatas, Vol. 1 (ABRSM)
>> 13 Tailleferre Impromptu Tailleferre: Impromptu (Editions Jobert)
>> 1 Albéniz Rumores de La Caleta (Malagueña) (No. 6
>> from Recuerdos de viaje, Op. 71)
>> Piano Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 2 Debussy Arabesque No. 2 (from Deux arabesques, L. 66) Piano Exam
>> Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8 (ABRSM)
>> 3 J. P. Johnson Over the Bars Piano Exam Pieces 2023 & 2024, Grade 8
>> (ABRSM)
>> 4 Chaminade Pierrette (Air de Ballet), Op. 41 Piano Music by Female
>> Composers (4th revised edition
>> 2011) (Schott)
>> 5 Chen Peixun Thunder in Drought Season 100 Years of Chinese Piano
>> Music: Vol. III Works in
>> Traditional Style, Book II Instrumental Music
>> (Shanghai Conservatory of Music Press)
>> 6 Debussy Rêverie Debussy: Rêverie (Editions Jobert) or
>> Night and Dreams (Schott)
>> 7 Khachaturian Toccata Khachaturian: Toccata (Boosey & Hawkes)
>> 8 Uwe Korn Caballos Españoles Tango Meets Jazz (Schott)
>> 9 Cecilia
>> McDowall
>> Vespers in Venice (from Four Piano Solos) Cecilia McDowall: Four Piano
>> Solos (Hunt Edition)
>> 10 Villa-Lobos O polichinelo (from A prole do bebê no.1) Villa-Lobos:
>> O polichinelo (Eschig) or
>> Beyond the Romantic Spirit, Book 2 (Alfred)
>> 11 Bartók Dance in Bulgarian Rhythm No. 6 (No.153 from
>> Mikrokosmos)
>> Bartók: Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm (Henle) or
>> Bartók: Mikrokosmos, Vol. 6 (Boosey & Hawkes)
>> 12 Zoe Rahman Go with the Flow Nikki Iles and Friends, Book 2 (ABRSM)
>> 13 Trad. Irish Danny Boy, arr. Iles Jazz in Autumn (OUP)
>>
>>
>> Thank you with all my heart.
>>
>> Ruby.
>>
>> On 6/4/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Ruby,
>> >
>> > Yes please send through the PDF. If you can’t attach it here you can
>> send it
>> > to me at jeaniewillis at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> On 4/06/2023, at 11:00 PM, ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>> >> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Genie, Thank you so much, you are so kind and understanding, I am
>> >> so touched by your message, I really mean it. I would like to attach
>> >> that Grade 8 PDF file to you, if there is option here otherwise, I
>> >> have to send it privately to you.let me see.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you really, appreciate it.
>> >>
>> >> Kind Regards, Ruby.
>> >>
>> >>> On 6/4/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Ruby,
>> >>>
>> >>> If you give me an easy to read list of the pieces for both main
>> syllabus
>> >>> and
>> >>> alternatives in an e-mail I will have a search and see which of them
>> >>> I
>> >>> can
>> >>> find tomorrow. It is getting late here so I am going to get some
>> dinner
>> >>> and
>> >>> go to bed. Usually the ABRSM Grade 8 always has a prelude and fugue
>> for
>> >>> list A and most of those are going to be able to be found. So if
>> >>> your
>> >>> student is willing to do the pieces we can find you music for then I
>> >>> think
>> >>> we have a good chance. So don't stress, just send the list, smile.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, you have a much better chance of getting just the three pieces
>> >>> transcribed by either ABRSM or other transcribers. So if we can't
>> >>> find
>> >>> what
>> >>> you need then my suggestion would be listen to the pieces and decide
>> >>> which 3
>> >>> and just ask for those to be transcribed rather than the whole book.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeanie
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeanie
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 8:01 PM
>> >>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> >>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> >>> Cc: ruby alphonse <rubyalphonse at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you Genie and Ella, yes I agree what genie says that it will be
>> >>> easy
>> >>> if I can have BRF or XML music file, but how to get and where to get
>> >>> is
>> >>> my
>> >>> anxiety, I have written to Bill Mcann dancingdots whether they can
>> >>> transcribe the book of grade 8 ABRSM the latest syllabus
>> >>> 2023-2024 for me, bill hasn't responded, perhaps I will write to
>> >>> Albert
>> >>> today too if he can help me with the transcription. in the website of
>> >>> ABRSM
>> >>> under specific needs and under partially sighted and visually
>> >>> impaired,
>> >>> 2023-2024 syllabus isn't available of course, I did not write to them
>> if
>> >>> they can get the BRF file for grade 8 of this latest syllabus, I'll
>> try
>> >>> that as well today. The student is an adult, a nun from the
>> congrigation
>> >>> Daughters Of Charity, Sister Magdelena She doesn't select on Her own
>> >>> anything but, leans on me too much. I told Her to go to some other
>> >>> teacher,
>> >>> She isn't listening, I tried my best to telling Her lot of obstacles
>> are
>> >>> there, unless I have a copy in Braille, I cannot teach, this She
>> doesn't
>> >>> understand, has no notion of what braille is, or what a blind person
>> does
>> >>> to
>> >>> teach a student, Anyway, I don't know what to do, I am in a bad
>> >>> soop.Besides
>> >>> the melody of these pieces in grade Eight are not so much catchy, I
>> like
>> >>> some of
>> >>> the pieces of the alternative pieces, there is Danny Boy,that is in
>> >>> the list C and there is the second piece in list A How to make Her
>> >>> to buy the alternative pieces I have to find a way. as Genie says,
>> >>> we
>> >>> love
>> >>> to teach music, so, we keep searching for different ways that are
>> >>> accessible
>> >>> for us. I'll let you know which pieces Sister and I choose.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you a lot, I truely appreciate you both for your understanding
>> >>> me
>> >>> and
>> >>> trying your best to support me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you again.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ruby.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 6/4/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> Yes I agree, Ruby, let us know what the specific pieces you are
>> >>>> looking for are and we can try to find them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have just been on ABC and downloaded a bunch more repertoire
>> >>>> books.
>> >>>> My plan over time is to catalogue the individual pieces within all
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> these so that when someone needs an individual piece we will know if
>> >>>> it is tucked away in a book.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unfortunately it doesn’t look like CNIB did a good cataloguing job
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> the RCM materials. There are a lot of books just labelled as RCM
>> >>>> examination with no idea what grade or whether they are even piano,
>> >>>> voice, etc. I will check our local library here in case they did
>> >>>> any
>> >>>> better when they received them from ABC. Otherwise it would be a
>> >>>> case
>> >>>> of downloading them all and opening and reading. I’m still a pretty
>> >>>> slow Braille reader so not feeling very excited about this, but I
>> >>>> might be somewhere quicker with notepad and screen reader, my askii
>> >>>> interpretation is improving, lol.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But I did notice hundreds of individual pieces of titles I
>> >>>> recognised
>> >>>> as exam pieces on ABC, so will be happy to do a search once we know
>> >>>> those titles.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jeanie
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Ella Yu via Menvi-discuss
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 11:04 AM
>> >>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> >>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> >>>> Cc: Ella Yu <ellaxyu at gmail.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all, RCM goes up to level 10 and then there's a grad level, just
>> >>>> for reference. Sadly, finding the actual repertoire books in braille
>> >>>> is very difficult, and is made worse by the new CNIB library thing
>> >>>> which seems to have removed a lot of older braille music titles. I
>> >>>> think the best course of action is to figure out which pieces you
>> >>>> need, and we can try to help you source them. Finding braille music
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> very hard a lot of the time, and what is available is very
>> >>>> restrictive. Having optical music recognition helps a lot, but you
>> still
>> >>>> need sighted assistance to get it to work.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 3:38 PM Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>> >>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Ruby,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Has your student chosen her pieces yet? Can you tell us what they
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> and we can see if we can find a brf or even xml in another exam book
>> >>>> or sheet music.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have you contacted ABRSM special needs and asked them for these
>> >>>> specific pieces to be urgently transcribed? Did you get a response?
>> >>>> You could also try contacting the publishers as listed in the print
>> >>>> book directly and see if there is any way they can release the xml
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> similar file to you to convert to Braille. I sometimes find that
>> >>>> making an e-mail a CC to several different departments or people
>> >>>> within an organisation makes it harder for them to all ignore, so
>> >>>> keep
>> >>>> trying.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think you should give up trying to find a way to convert the music
>> >>>> from pdf or scanned image as this is just not going to be good
>> >>>> enough
>> >>>> for you as a teacher. Even if you got all the notes, which is
>> >>>> unlikely you will be missing essential articulation, fingering and
>> >>>> many other things. An existing brf or xml will be much closer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If we can help you find a brf or xml do you have a way set up to
>> >>>> edit
>> >>>> the Braille? My suggestion is that you could either pay a
>> >>>> transcriber
>> >>>> to compare the brf that isn't the original ABRSM and edit it to add
>> >>>> any small details that are different. This should be much less
>> >>>> expensive than transcribing from scratch. Or, you could go through
>> >>>> with your student either a few bars at a time or through a topic
>> >>>> such
>> >>>> as all the dynamics in a piece, or the pedal marks, or the
>> >>>> articulation and get them to read out what it does so you can check
>> >>>> and edit them. This is a little time consuming, but also might help
>> >>>> your student to become much more familiar with the pieces.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The only other option is to pay to have them transcribed if you can.
>> >>>> I do understand how frustrating this all is. I have been very
>> >>>> frustrated myself this past year with just how little is available
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> I think over time it is easy to become desensitised to the
>> >>>> hugegaping
>> >>>> cavern between what is available to a teacher in print and what in
>> >>>> Braille which is so crazily restrictive. It is also impossible to
>> >>>> even add up all the extra hours spent to get to the same starting
>> >>>> point of having the music ready to begin teaching. But, I guess we
>> >>>> love what we do and so somehow we find a way!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If someone can tell me whether the RCM exams are the same Grade
>> >>>> level
>> >>>> I can download the past ones from ABC and check through those also.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jeanie
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 6:24 AM
>> >>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> >>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org> >
>> >>>> Cc: ruby alphonse <rubyalphonse at gmail.com
>> >>>> <mailto:rubyalphonse at gmail.com> >
>> >>>> Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Grade 8 exam pieces
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello list members, please can anyone tell me where to get braille
>> >>>> transcribed I need very urgently grade 8 2023-2024 syllabus a
>> >>>> braille
>> >>>> copy to teach a student, there isn't BRF file available on the
>> >>>> website
>> >>>> of ABRSM specific needs. This student wants to prepare from now on
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> do the exams next year, so I cannot use the previous syllabus, so
>> >>>> please anyone knows where I can get hard copy of this Grade 8 ABRSM
>> >>>> 2023-2024 syllabus. or BRF file, I can get them embossed here. Any
>> >>>> help is appreciated deeply.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you all in advance,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ruby.
>> >>>>
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