[Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
Mary Kissel
merrymusic4u at gmail.com
Sun Apr 2 06:20:53 EDT 2023
Thanks Jeanie for all your good suggestions and the titles of those books. I’ll have to look them up. Enjoy your Easter break as I will enjoy mine also next week.
Mary Kissel.
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> On Apr 1, 2023, at 11:07 PM, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> Yes, this has become so much more obvious to me since starting to read Braille music. In fact I often get pieces transcribed basic notes only and full score as it can be quite hard to get quickly to just the notes when you have to read every single detail in a line of Braille. You certainly can't miss anything.
>
> The book I mentioned is called Practice Revolution by Philip Johnston and has a companion book called practiceopedia which is designed for students to read and is in topics in alphabetical order to use as a reference rather than read all of. I'm not sure I ever got to the end of the Practice Revolution book, but worked through a number of chapters about tools to practice, identifying practice traps and much more. I have a bunch of short info sheets I created as handouts for students with pictures copied from the book and short explanations as well as a quiz I made up to help find out what there particular practice traps were and sheets to hand out on those also. It is material that I haven't fully gone through and got sorted since I can't read it anymore, but the computer files are accessible. I also haven't found an accessible version of these two books anywhere and might take my own advice to someone a few days ago in approaching the publisher as they are too big to scan or transcribe. Pretty sure he is an Australian teacher.
>
> I would be happy to share any of the resources I created with anyone if they are a help. I am very aware that creating resources for those like me who are teaching sighted students has become quite difficult to get things looking good. Cutting and pasting pics is going to require assistance. So always happy to share anything I already have.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2023 7:11 AM
> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
> Cc: Mary Kissel <merrymusic4u at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>
> Hi Jeanie,
>
> I follow all these discussions with interest.
>
> I really liked the suggestion you read from your practice book called “Details trawl”. I will have to try that. I have my students take a highlight marker or highlight tape and highlight the special markings but often they even miss that even though they are highlighted. This is a good idea. When I am learning a piece. I do that myself. I use special auto focus, bioptic telescopes to read music, and I look over every detail before I start to learn to play. Sometimes those details have to be memorized. The same thing happens for sighted or totally blind students. Sometimes the details need to be memorized but best to look at everything over first. I call that analyzing the music!
>
> Mary Kissel
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>> On Apr 1, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, what a great teaching strategy! I'm going to try this with my
>> students; thanks for sharing!
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 4:55 PM
>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> Cc: Jeanie Willis
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> It is probably more of a copyright issue if they turn up with loose
>> pages not clearly from a book they have bought. I know in this case
>> Trinity will disqualify them which has been an issue with rock & Pop
>> keyboard pieces as they need to provide proof of purchase if they have
>> bought online and printed. But always best to check the regulations.
>>
>> However, if this is for sighted students no reason they can't purchase
>> the correct editions and any Braille option of the same piece should
>> be close enough. If you can get them in a brf they could easily be
>> edited to add any little changes. Might be a good teaching tool to
>> pour through the music with a student and make them take note of every
>> staccato, slur, Italian word, dynamic etc and then you can check as they go.
>>
>> I do love the way in Braille music with everything written out line by
>> line you can't miss a detail if you try. My students are so focussed
>> on the notes on the print they hardly notice the rest of the details exist.
>>
>> I have a book of practice tips that suggests doing what they call a
>> Details trawl. You put a piece of paper over the music to cover it
>> and very slowly move it across to the right so that each item becomes
>> visible one at a time and the student has to either verbally say what
>> every item is or write it in a list. Very like verbalization for
>> transcription. It is rather tedious, but does force them to notice
>> there is more there than just notes and a good thing to do prior to an exam to see what might have been missed.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2023 9:53 AM
>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> Cc: Stephanie Pieck <themusicsuite at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> I don't think examiners are too picky as long as the student is
>> playing the piece listed. Then again, there's probably always one
>> curmudgeon out there who would dock points if someone played out of,
>> say, an anthology that had two of the pieces in it instead of the "approved" book.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 6:55 PM
>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> Cc: Jeanie Willis
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> Hi Steph,
>>
>> This sounds great.
>> I have the 2017 through to 2022 downloaded from the ABRSM website so
>> was planning on going through them and making a list over the school
>> holidays after Easter. So sounds like between our two lists we will
>> have the ABRSM covered.
>>
>> At some later date I could download the various Royal Conservatory
>> (Canadian) resources also and do likewise with them.
>>
>> I am wondering though now whether I should have been making a list by
>> Grade rather than composer, but then Grade can vary from different
>> exam boards, so maybe by composer is still best.
>>
>> As I search for Trinity exam pieces even being able to pass a brf
>> through to the transcriber here that has a piece in would be a great
>> start for them to cut and paste from and make any small editorial
>> editions that might be different from the different exam boards.
>>
>> Jeanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 11:44 AM
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>> Cc: Stephanie Pieck <themusicsuite at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> I'd be willing to help with that database. I have braille books with
>> print equivalents for ABRSM from 199 almost to present, although I
>> sort of slacked off around 2015-2016 and didn't get the print books
>> even though I got the braille.
>>
>> I can provide the list I have by composer of that batch to anyone who
>> wants it; just let me finish adding some of the last pieces from a few
>> grades as I got a bit lazy over the past 3-4 years since none of my
>> students were taking the tests.
>>
>> E-mail me off-list if you want this. E-mail address is
>> themusicsuite at verizon.net
>>
>> Thanks for your patience.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 8:14 PM
>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> Cc: Jeanie Willis
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> Yes I was going to mention, that it is worth downloading all those
>> past exam books as they will contain many pieces that are reused over
>> the years, especially in the alternate piece choices.
>> I am planning over the next few weeks going through them all and
>> creating a database by composer so I can quickly find any pieces that are there.
>> I will share that once created.
>>
>> I would note though that for the ABRSM & Trinity exams if you are
>> teaching sighted students they do have to have the exam book version
>> from their own publishers for the main pieces, the alternate lists
>> they do specify edition and publisher. However, I thik most of those
>> works are similar enough from different editions that as Steph said a
>> Braille version could be any good edition from any source of a standard work.
>>
>> Maybe if others are using some of these exams we could try and get a
>> database together of a Grade level list of available pieces and where
>> they are from. This could cover any exam board. I will have a bit of
>> a think on whether there is some way I can create a page or even a
>> file shared on OneDrive or something that a number of us could
>> contribute to by adding listed pieces under the various Grades as we find them.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:45 AM
>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>> Cc: Stephanie Pieck <themusicsuite at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you look over the most recent syllabus, you might find that you can
>> get a lot of the music in braille and have your students work from
>> print editions other than what's in the "Selected Exam Pieces" series.
>> I find that a lot of the lists contain standard repertoire, and they
>> don't care which edition you use as long as you're playing the song that's listed.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf
>> Of ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 9:42 AM
>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> Cc: ruby alphonse
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>
>> Hi Genie, Thank you for responding, the link which you have sent
>> Stephanie also sent in the previous mail, it said bad request and web
>> page cannot be found. then in the next mail Stephanie sent another URL
>> or link that one worked, I have saved and kept the link with me. and
>> there isn't any email contact in that for me to talk to them. I need
>> actually 2022-2023 syllabus or 2023-2024 syllabus, the students will
>> never agree to the older syllabus, I hope the later syllabus's BRF files will be added, I cross my fingers.
>>
>> anyway thank you many times.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ruby.
>>
>>>> On 3/29/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Ruby,
>>>
>>> No idea when the latest syllabus will come out, but if you go to this
>>> page you can get the 2021/2022 if that is any help. It is possible
>>> if you are planning to sit an exam that they may allow a years
>>> overlap meaning you might be still able to use the 2022 syllabus for
>>> part or all
>> of this year.
>>> You would need to check with your local rep or the regulations
>>> booklet which should be able to be downloaded from the website. The
>>> link below also has an e-mail address there for the access
>>> co-ordinator at abrsm so if you are planning an exam it might be good to talk to them.
>>>
>>>
>> https://gb.abrsm.org/en/exam-booking/specific-needs/blind-and-partiall
>> y-sigh
>>> ted-candidates/
>>>
>>> Weird how they have multiple different pages with similar stuff. I
>>> can't remember how I found these two different pages, but kept both
>>> links. The one Steph sent you earlier and this one as the years of
>>> available things differ.
>>>
>>> Jeanie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 7:43 PM
>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>> Cc: ruby alphonse <rubyalphonse at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>
>>> Hi Stephanie, Thank you, it took me straight as you said, I pressed
>>> inter on the link blind and partially candidates, I couldn't find the
>>> latest syllabus the pieces are there from 2019 to 2020 and below
>>>
>>> when will be the latest syllabus be available, that is 2023-2024?
>>> any idea?
>>>
>>> many many thanks to you, I am very happy with the link you have given me.
>>>
>>> Thank you again.
>>>
>>> Ruby.
>>>
>>>> On 3/29/23, Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Eileen,
>>>>
>>>> If you contact their music advisory service e-mail rather than the
>>>> library it usually works better. I think the e-mail address is
>>>> mas at rnib.org.uk, but you might want to check that on the website.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any trouble e-mail me off list and I might be able to
>>>> find a contact there to put you in touch with.
>>>>
>>>> Jeanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 3:31 PM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> Cc: etscrivani at verizon.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeanie,
>>>>
>>>> I find the RNIB web site difficult and the last time I was looking
>>>> for a specific violin piece that RNIB had they sent me a phone
>>>> number to call and I was not able to get the phone number working.
>>>> I'm in the USA and not registered with them. I would have been
>>>> willing to purchase the music, but then NLS wound up doing a
>>>> transcription of the
>>> music I was interested in.
>>>> Bottom line is it was not worth the hastle of dealing with a
>>>> difficult means of communication. If I'm remembering correctly my
>>>> last email from them indicated they were no longer allowed to sell
>>>> to the USA. It sounded strange to me, but whatever -- it seems to be
>>>> their
>> policy.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 8:13 PM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> Cc: Jeanie Willis <jeaniewillis at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Hi Eileen,
>>>>
>>>> I did also see that rnib has a few books of ABRSM violin. I think
>>>> from memory it might have been the last syllabus for Grades 3 & 4
>>>> and the current one for Grade 5. Likely transcribed for a
>>>> particular student who is moving up through the Grades.
>>>>
>>>> Jeanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 12:31 PM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> Cc: etscrivani at verizon.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steph,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I already downloaded the flute files. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:23 PM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> Cc: Stephanie Pieck <themusicsuite at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> No, they don't have any violin, although you could probably play the
>>>> flute stuff on violin. A lot of pieces are transcribed between those
>>>> two instruments. One of the best examples is the Sonata in A by
>>>> Cesar
>>> Franck.
>>>> It
>>>> is beautiful in both the flute and the violin versions.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:44 AM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> Cc: etscrivani at verizon.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> Did you once tell me that this site has or had violin sheet music In
>>>> braille? I had never been able to locate braille offerings on their
>>>> web site, but the link you just sent out took me right to the link
>>>> for
>>> braille.
>>>> I was able to locate music for piano and flute as you stated, but I
>>>> did not find any violin pieces. Just wondering.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Stephanie Pieck via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:15 AM
>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org>
>>>> Cc: Stephanie Pieck <themusicsuite at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Ruby,
>>>>
>>>> The link to the page listing all available braille resources from
>>>> the Associated Board is:
>>>> https://gb.abrsm.org/en/exam-booking/specific-needs/blind-and-partia
>>>> l
>>>> l
>>>> y-sigh
>>>> ted-candidates/
>>>>
>>>> You have to go pretty far down the page to reach the specific links
>>>> for books. They offer flute, piano, sample theory papers, and now a
>>>> study guide for theory Grades 1-5 entitled "Discovering Theory."
>>>>
>>>> If you are unable to download the scores, just above these links is
>>>> contact information for RNIB and a separate company where you can
>>>> purchase hard-copy editions.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Pieck
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Menvi-discuss [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of ruby alphonse via Menvi-discuss
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 9:51 AM
>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>> Cc: ruby alphonse
>>>> Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Music BRF files
>>>>
>>>> Hi list members,
>>>>
>>>> I read some time back in this group, that we can get BRF exams
>>>> pieces, I am not sure if Genie or some one else writing, I searched
>>>> on ABRSM website I am not able to find any brf files, Can anyone
>>>> specify where and how to go about getting brf exams pieces or any
>>>> piece for getting embossed whenever I want?
>>>>
>>>> Any help is greatly appreciated,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Ruby.
>>>>
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