[Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music

Bettie Downing bnbdowning70 at embarqmail.com
Thu Sep 6 10:39:38 EDT 2012 

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On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Chela Robles wrote:

> And I'll never ever play "Misty" the same again, that experience at OCB just killed the song...so now when I play it, it sounds lifeless, just a bunch of notes with no meaning, no passion whatsoever all because of OCB.
> I know that some of you who have read the blog about me including my trumpet buddy, will disagree but you just don't know...or rather understand.
> But all in all all is knot lost because the ending of my groosome experience turned out very well...so I thank God for letting me move on and to allow me to get close to my family during that time.Anyway, back to music, like I said, I think it is cool how you guys determine whole from sixteenth, I can't do fractions in my head but can in braille though...or I just do it all by ear as far as determining music, I kknow that is considered cheating, but that is how I learned.
> It would be great to get one of those APH Braille Displays because then I could hook it up to the computer and read Arban's Conservatory Method for Trumpet which I hear it has a bunch of whole and sixteenths!
> Anyway, one book that I wish I had in braille is Hal Leonard's sixth Edition of Volume one of the Realbook found at:
> 
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> On 9/5/2012 7:45 PM, Chela Robles wrote:
>> At least I didn't have to fight the band instructor to get my music on time like I had to do with mom there, in grade school...when I went to Master's college, socially it was good, academically I felt like high school didn't really prepare me in 2004 before I went to OCB in September for 5 months, not even the full required 9 months due to that circumstance I won't mention on this list just in case you all decide to faint. Trust me, it was bad! All I will say is I was violated, period!
>> 
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>> On 9/5/2012 6:29 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
>>> Hey Chella,
>>> You should consider coming to CSU East Bay. They are really close to where you are living, (In Hayward), and I am straitening up the college for blind music students. That way other blind musicians will have an easy time. I'll also be there for the next 3 years. DOR should pay for it if you come in as a transfer and there are plenty of scholarships for musician women to help pay for housing and books.
>>> It is a 4 year college with a masters as well, but it is a BA program and not a BM.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chela Robles
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:52 PM
>>> To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>> 
>>> Yes I did, but only for a couple years, one year at a four year college
>>> and the other at a two year college, and get this, nothing was
>>> accessible, so I'm now taking customer service course at a place called
>>> Mount Diablo Adult Ed school but the location is different, in fact it
>>> is at a place called Eastbay Works here in Concord, California, where I
>>> live and not too far from where I live smiles...will take paratransit
>>> there come September 24th through the 28th. I feel like I'm repeating
>>> myself here, yes, I went to college...their first blind student actually
>>> so they knew nothing.
>>> 
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>>> On 9/5/2012 5:41 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>>>> no, three sixteenths would equal a dotted eighth. You went to college, no?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 06:21 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> But, I have to ask, if three 16ths equal an 8th, why not replace that with the 8th?
>>>>> 
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>>>>> On 9/5/2012 3:57 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>>> No. They're still sixteenth notes brailled as one sixteenth note, and three
>>>>>> eighth notes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM
>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn
>>>>>> Braille Music
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> So there can be 16 rests that are eighth notes? I'd think that would be more
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> dots...
>>>>>> I've read 16th notes around groupings, but I don't remember if they are in
>>>>>> the groups or not...
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bettie Downing
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole
>>>>>> AndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never.  If a group of 16th notes is preceded by a sixteenth rest rather than
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a note (i.e. one 16th rest and 3 sixteenth notes) the whole thing is
>>>>>> grouped.  Then the first sixteenth is a rest and the 3 remaining notes are
>>>>>> eighths in the grouping.  This cannot be done if the following note is an
>>>>>> eighth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes; sixteenth rests are grouped.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>>> SixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> But I don't think you group rests. 16th rests are always the m.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Debra Baxley
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>>> SixteenthNotes/Rests
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In Braille Music
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't forget grouping--four sixteenths are grouped as one sixteenth note,
>>>>>>> and three eighth notes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And Sixteenth
>>>>>>> Notes/Rests In Braille Music
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> well, counting the number of notes per beat and per measure is
>>>>>>> probably helpful. 16 16th notes or one whole note with space around
>>>>>>> it. That's a huge difference metrically, as well as spacially.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless it's an extremely short pick up bar, you're not going to see
>>>>>>> a bar containing a single sixteenth note on its own.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Even a couple sixteenths, four eighths, and a quarter note
>>>>>>> shouldn't be hard to figure out, since there are just lots of notes
>>>>>>> in one bar, so some of them are obviously very short.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At 03:39 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> I still have a hard time determining whole and sixteenth in music,
>>>>>>>> no, not by ear, but by reading the braille music, any other tips
>>>>>>>> other than what I read as follows from Bettye Krolick's book, How
>>>>>>>> To Read Braille Music An Introduction Second Edition: ""Count the
>>>>>>>> beats in  the measure, and it will be easy to decide whether a
>>>>>>>> note has a large or a small value."
>>>>>>>> Call me Braille Music dyslexic, but I still do not get it! Please
>>>>>>>> explain how you determine the two seeing as is dots 3 and 6 in the
>>>>>>>> lower cell define both ultimately whether it be a rest or a note?
>>>>>>>> Any other tricks to determine Sixteenth and whole all, that would
>>>>>>>> be greatly appreciated. I told my friend off list that it is hard
>>>>>>>> for me to decipher and would like to do so eventually, but as soon
>>>>>>>> as I see it, I revert back to playing by ear, don't gasp now, but
>>>>>>>> that is how I learned how to play music originally, in fact, I
>>>>>>>> didn't learn braille music until 2004 and part of 2005, at the
>>>>>>>> Orientation Center for the Blind in Albany California, and only
>>>>>>>> one braille instructor a fine pianist, taught me the basic, but
>>>>>>>> then gave up on me when I had a hard time determining the two
>>>>>>>> types Whole and Sixteenth...so I'm taking it upon myself to learn
>>>>>>>> it on my own spare time and I do remember all the other note/rest
>>>>>>>> types so that is good to know from the only music book I do have
>>>>>>>> the Bettye Krolick one, may she rest in peace and always be remembered!
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> experience."
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