[Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music

Chris Smart csmart8 at cogeco.ca
Thu Sep 6 02:44:32 EDT 2012 

oh shoot. I'm sorry you had such a rough time of it.
It's sad that in 2012 we're still teaching the teachers so-to-speak.



At 08:52 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>Yes I did, but only for a couple years, one year at a four year 
>college and the other at a two year college, and get this, nothing 
>was accessible, so I'm now taking customer service course at a 
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>live smiles...will take paratransit there come September 24th 
>through the 28th. I feel like I'm repeating myself here, yes, I 
>went to college...their first blind student actually so they knew 
>nothing.
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>On 9/5/2012 5:41 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>>no, three sixteenths would equal a dotted eighth. You went to 
>>college, no?
>>
>>
>>
>>At 06:21 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>But, I have to ask, if three 16ths equal an 8th, why not replace 
>>>that with the 8th?
>>>
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>>>On 9/5/2012 3:57 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>No. They're still sixteenth notes brailled as one sixteenth 
>>>>note, and three
>>>>eighth notes.
>>>>
>>>>Debra
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon 
>>>>Keith Biggs
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM
>>>>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine 
>>>>WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn
>>>>Braille Music
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>So there can be 16 rests that are eighth notes? I'd think that 
>>>>would be more
>>>>
>>>>dots...
>>>>I've read 16th notes around groupings, but I don't remember if 
>>>>they are in
>>>>the groups or not...
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Bettie Downing
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole
>>>>AndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>
>>>>Never.  If a group of 16th notes is preceded by a sixteenth 
>>>>rest rather than
>>>>
>>>>a note (i.e. one 16th rest and 3 sixteenth notes) the whole 
>>>>thing is
>>>>grouped.  Then the first sixteenth is a rest and the 3 
>>>>remaining notes are
>>>>eighths in the grouping.  This cannot be done if the following 
>>>>note is an
>>>>eighth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yes; sixteenth rests are grouped.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debra
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon 
>>>>>Keith Biggs
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>>>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>SixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>But I don't think you group rests. 16th rests are always the m.
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Debra Baxley
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>>To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>SixteenthNotes/Rests
>>>>>
>>>>>In Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't forget grouping--four sixteenths are grouped as one 
>>>>>sixteenth note,
>>>>>and three eighth notes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debra
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And Sixteenth
>>>>>Notes/Rests In Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>>well, counting the number of notes per beat and per measure is
>>>>>probably helpful. 16 16th notes or one whole note with space 
>>>>>around
>>>>>it. That's a huge difference metrically, as well as spacially.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless it's an extremely short pick up bar, you're not going 
>>>>>to see
>>>>>a bar containing a single sixteenth note on its own.
>>>>>
>>>>>Even a couple sixteenths, four eighths, and a quarter note
>>>>>shouldn't be hard to figure out, since there are just lots of 
>>>>>notes
>>>>>in one bar, so some of them are obviously very short.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 03:39 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>I still have a hard time determining whole and sixteenth in 
>>>>>>music,
>>>>>>no, not by ear, but by reading the braille music, any other tips
>>>>>>other than what I read as follows from Bettye Krolick's book, How
>>>>>>To Read Braille Music An Introduction Second Edition: ""Count the
>>>>>>beats in  the measure, and it will be easy to decide whether a
>>>>>>note has a large or a small value."
>>>>>>Call me Braille Music dyslexic, but I still do not get it! Please
>>>>>>explain how you determine the two seeing as is dots 3 and 6 
>>>>>>in the
>>>>>>lower cell define both ultimately whether it be a rest or a note?
>>>>>>Any other tricks to determine Sixteenth and whole all, that would
>>>>>>be greatly appreciated. I told my friend off list that it is hard
>>>>>>for me to decipher and would like to do so eventually, but as 
>>>>>>soon
>>>>>>as I see it, I revert back to playing by ear, don't gasp now, but
>>>>>>that is how I learned how to play music originally, in fact, I
>>>>>>didn't learn braille music until 2004 and part of 2005, at the
>>>>>>Orientation Center for the Blind in Albany California, and only
>>>>>>one braille instructor a fine pianist, taught me the basic, but
>>>>>>then gave up on me when I had a hard time determining the two
>>>>>>types Whole and Sixteenth...so I'm taking it upon myself to learn
>>>>>>it on my own spare time and I do remember all the other note/rest
>>>>>>types so that is good to know from the only music book I do have
>>>>>>the Bettye Krolick one, may she rest in peace and always be 
>>>>>>remembered!
>>>>>>
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