[Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music

Wed Sep 5 22:56:14 EDT 2012

Well Betty I just figured out what she wanted to do: she wanted to see 
if this music book could make it into the bookshare collection, however 
it has notation and since another musician on there who reads music in 
braille pointed out that it wouldn't be a good fit for bookshare since 
it is going to be converted into specialized formats that wouldn't work 
well for reading notation, she told Valerie to just omit the notation to 
the Christmas Carols and just scan the words. Sorry for the lengthy 
email...thanks for your offer...perhaps next time?
You know it would be great to get Hal Leonard's Real Book Volume 1 Sixth 
Edition in braille someday, but since I already have the 12 CD set from 
jazzbooks.com I can find someone to play the melody of the tunes, 
perhaps a trumpeter...hmmm, or I can just see if I can purchase the 
CDROM of the same book which only has PDF versions of the tunes, not bad 
for $25 if interested in translating this check it out here: 
http://www.jazzbooks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JAJAZZ&Product_Code=REALROM-C 
not bad for $25 but the bad news is that it is PDF grown!!!!!!!!! I'm 
hoping that No-C-Notes will produce it so I can purchase it for say $30 
or whatever is negotiable since I'm tight on moola anyway, unless 
someone has time to translate it for me into braille!

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On 9/5/2012 6:16 PM, Bettie Downing wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand what she wants but I am sighted and would be happy to help if I can.  She can call me at 850-897-3383.
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Chela Robles wrote:
>
>> Ah ok, yes.
>> Also a sighted friend of mine is looking for someone to describe the notation in a Christmas Carols book from another list I'm on.
>> Only on Bookshare is working on Christmas Carols in September an admirable task.  This is a Golden Book Christmas Caron Book, presented like sheet music.  I know nothing about musical notation for the blind, so my thought is just to unit verses, etc.
>>
>> All the harp and music talk had me waxing nostalgic and I very much want others to share in some classic carols in word. Unless of course, someone is equal to the task of describing the musical notes...
>>
>> It is only about 35 pages...
>> Her name is Valerie and if you wish to help if any transcribers who are sighted are here reading this, contact me and I'll get you in touch with her.
>> Seems I'm doing people favors now, first Richard, now another bookshare volunteer smiles, chela can you do this, Chela can you do that, Oh my! What am I?
>>
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>> On 9/5/2012 3:28 PM, Bettie Downing wrote:
>>> Whoops!  Back up there.  TWO sixteenths equal an eighth.  Grouping is what we do in print music by writing one line for four flags over sixteenth notes to make it easier to read.  In braille one can write four sixteenth notes for one beat in 4/4 time but it looks busy-busy with all of those dots and it isn't easy to find where the beat is.  If one follows the rules for grouping and the situation merits it the counting is easier to figure out if one can write one sixteenth note and 3 eighth notes for the one beat, followed by maybe a quarter note or a half note.  Grouping is supposed to make it easier to read, to find the beat.  Did I explain it well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Chela Robles wrote:
>>>
>>>> But, I have to ask, if three 16ths equal an 8th, why not replace that with the 8th?
>>>>
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>>>> On 9/5/2012 3:57 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>> No. They're still sixteenth notes brailled as one sixteenth note, and three
>>>>> eighth notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debra
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM
>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine WholeAndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn
>>>>> Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> So there can be 16 rests that are eighth notes? I'd think that would be more
>>>>>
>>>>> dots...
>>>>> I've read 16th notes around groupings, but I don't remember if they are in
>>>>> the groups or not...
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bettie Downing
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole
>>>>> AndSixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>
>>>>> Never.  If a group of 16th notes is preceded by a sixteenth rest rather than
>>>>>
>>>>> a note (i.e. one 16th rest and 3 sixteenth notes) the whole thing is
>>>>> grouped.  Then the first sixteenth is a rest and the 3 remaining notes are
>>>>> eighths in the grouping.  This cannot be done if the following note is an
>>>>> eighth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Debra Baxley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes; sixteenth rests are grouped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:36 PM
>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>> SixteenthNotes/RestsIn Braille Music
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> But I don't think you group rests. 16th rests are always the m.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Debra Baxley
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:39 PM
>>>>>> To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And
>>>>>> SixteenthNotes/Rests
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Braille Music
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget grouping--four sixteenths are grouped as one sixteenth note,
>>>>>> and three eighth notes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>>>>>> [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>>> To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] How To Determine Whole And Sixteenth
>>>>>> Notes/Rests In Braille Music
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, counting the number of notes per beat and per measure is
>>>>>> probably helpful. 16 16th notes or one whole note with space around
>>>>>> it. That's a huge difference metrically, as well as spacially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless it's an extremely short pick up bar, you're not going to see
>>>>>> a bar containing a single sixteenth note on its own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even a couple sixteenths, four eighths, and a quarter note
>>>>>> shouldn't be hard to figure out, since there are just lots of notes
>>>>>> in one bar, so some of them are obviously very short.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 03:39 PM 9/5/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>> I still have a hard time determining whole and sixteenth in music,
>>>>>>> no, not by ear, but by reading the braille music, any other tips
>>>>>>> other than what I read as follows from Bettye Krolick's book, How
>>>>>>> To Read Braille Music An Introduction Second Edition: ""Count the
>>>>>>> beats in  the measure, and it will be easy to decide whether a
>>>>>>> note has a large or a small value."
>>>>>>> Call me Braille Music dyslexic, but I still do not get it! Please
>>>>>>> explain how you determine the two seeing as is dots 3 and 6 in the
>>>>>>> lower cell define both ultimately whether it be a rest or a note?
>>>>>>> Any other tricks to determine Sixteenth and whole all, that would
>>>>>>> be greatly appreciated. I told my friend off list that it is hard
>>>>>>> for me to decipher and would like to do so eventually, but as soon
>>>>>>> as I see it, I revert back to playing by ear, don't gasp now, but
>>>>>>> that is how I learned how to play music originally, in fact, I
>>>>>>> didn't learn braille music until 2004 and part of 2005, at the
>>>>>>> Orientation Center for the Blind in Albany California, and only
>>>>>>> one braille instructor a fine pianist, taught me the basic, but
>>>>>>> then gave up on me when I had a hard time determining the two
>>>>>>> types Whole and Sixteenth...so I'm taking it upon myself to learn
>>>>>>> it on my own spare time and I do remember all the other note/rest
>>>>>>> types so that is good to know from the only music book I do have
>>>>>>> the Bettye Krolick one, may she rest in peace and always be remembered!
>>>>>>>
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