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<p class="MsoNormal">Right, neither Lime nor GOODFEEL can open a .brf file. I suppose that one could rename a .brf file to .gf and then use the BrailleView application that comes with the GOODFEEL suite to open it. But when you open a formatted braille file
in BrailleView your screen reader is going to simply verbalize the text characters as it would in Notepad or any other text editor.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example, if it finds a backslash character consisting of dots 1-2-5-6, the screen reader will say “backslash.” If those same dots appeared on your display while you are working in Lime, our Lime Aloud feature would say “G, quarter”
or “G, crotchet” depending on your Lime Aloud preferences.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please do let us know how Toby’s software works for you. I tried it years ago but now I don’t remember much about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">MIDI files can definitely be helpful if you have no MusicXML to work with. But the MIDI file format is limited in how much actual notational information it can store since, in the end, MIDI is a performance-based format and not a notation-based
format. For example, although the MIDI file format can store lyric text, it has no provision for things like dynamic marks, accents, staccato marks, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That being said, Lime can import MIDI files if you have enough time and patience. I have written a brief tutorial on how to import MIDI files into Lime. See attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-ligatures:none">Bill McCann, President, Dancing Dots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-ligatures:none">Visit our YouTube page:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-ligatures:none"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/DancingDotsAccess"><span style="font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:blue">www.youtube.com/DancingDotsAccess</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeanie Willis via Menvi-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 24, 2023 7:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy' <menvi-discuss@menvi.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeanie Willis <jeaniewillis@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Screen Readers for "Brf" Music Files<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Just to be clear though as the question did specify brf files. Am I correct that neither Lime nor GoodFeel can open a brf. You either have to scan the music into sharp Eye, or open an existing midi or xml files, or
enter the notes yourself into Lime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I do think midi files may be an under used resource. I haven’t done it recently. But back when digital sheet music wasn’t readily available for print music I regularly found midi files on the net and extracted the parts
I wanted. I had a whole set of instructions on how to do this and tidy it into good clean music. The links would be out of date but the process largely unchanged if anyone wants me to dig it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jeanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Menvi-discuss
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill McCann via Menvi-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 25, 2023 9:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> This is for discussing music and braille literacy <<a href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">menvi-discuss@menvi.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bill McCann <<a href="mailto:info@dancingdots.com">info@dancingdots.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Screen Readers for "Brf" Music Files<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dancing Dots’ Lime Aloud scripts do deliver what we call a Talking braille score feature to users of the Lime music notation editor who have a license for our scripts. The scripts verbalize descriptions of the current note while showing
the equivalent braille music on your braille display and the print equivalent on the video display.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Software that would verbally describe braille music characters would need to perform some fairly complex analysis of the braille score in order to convert it to a meaningful verbal description. It would need to understand the order of
signs and the syntax of braille music. Certainly possible but not a trivial task.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-ligatures:none">Bill McCann, President, Dancing Dots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-ligatures:none">Visit our YouTube page:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-ligatures:none"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/DancingDotsAccess"><span style="font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:blue">www.youtube.com/DancingDotsAccess</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Menvi-discuss <<a href="mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org">menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Gearreald via Menvi-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 24, 2023 12:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">menvi-discuss@menvi.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:karen118@cox.net">karen118@cox.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Menvi-discuss] Screen Readers for "Brf" Music Files<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On behalf of friends who are not MENVI members, I am wondering whether anyone uses NVDA or another screen reader to decipher “brf” files of braille music scores. Any information about such experiences would be most welcome. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Karen Gearreald<o:p></o:p></p>
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