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<DIV>I am so happy that your professor is allowing you to use the software which
is accessible. That is awesome!</DIV>
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<A title=winy_kwany@yahoo.com href="mailto:winy_kwany@yahoo.com">Winy
Kwany</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=menvi-discuss@menvi.org
href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">This is for discussing music and braille
literacy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help
needed to accommodate music student</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi all,</DIV>
<DIV>Just want to share my experience. I am the only blind student in
the academy. The music course here also includes Music Technology class.
The standard syllabus is to learn Cubase and Finale. These two softwares
are not accessible at all for the blind. I told the academy and they let
me to learn on my own way, with the softwares which are accessible for
the blind. So, I am doing my projects with Lime and Sonar. I am in the
last semester now. Everything works fine. It's true that I have to learn
things on my own since the lecturer is more into Cubase, but he doesn't
mind to teach things that he knows. He found that all recording
softwares in Windows-based have similar function although they operate
in different ways. I will ask help from people of Ddots-l list if there
are things related to how blind users navigate and use Sonar with Cake
Talking. </DIV>
<DIV>I hope this helps. The best way to accomodate blind students in
this subject is to let him/her use softwares which are accessible. I
think this student will get great help since he/she has a very
open-minded and searching tutor. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for reading my sharing.</DIV>
<DIV>Winy.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/6/11, ethnerd
<I><ethnerd@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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ethnerd <ethnerd@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss]
Please help needed to accommodate music student<BR>To: "This is for
discussing music and braille literacy"
<menvi-discuss@menvi.org><BR>Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 4:23
AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#3333ff><FONT size=4><FONT face=garamond,serif>A good
person to contact would be David Pinto at Academy of Music for the
Blind. David writes the scripts for Sonar and I think one or two other
music programs now (my daughter was one of his guinea pigs when
he first started working with adapting music software for the blind).
He's on vacation this week, but if you would like his contact
information you can probably find it on the AMB website <A
href="http://www.ouramb.org/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.ouramb.org</A> or you can write me privately for it.
If the Mac accessibility suite won't cooperate with the software your
student is supposed to learn, and Brandon certainly seems to know
what he's talking about in that regard, your student might need to
find some alternative to that class. At any rate, David might be
able to help you out. He's pretty doggone
brilliant.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=garamond,serif></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#3333ff><FONT size=4><FONT
face=garamond,serif>jeanie <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv81068393gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:13 PM,
Brandon Keith (Biggs) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brandonboy13@comcast.net"
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wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Because these are extra programs not covered
in the Mac or Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom Scientific
will really be able to help you unfortunately. All they will say is
Voice-Over works best with ProTools and Jaws works best with
Sonar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are several listsirves of blind
engineers that DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of DancingDots)
should be able to assist you in getting the best set-up for your
student. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But either the student or the school will need
to get a windows machine with Sonar if the student is going
to do anything more extensive than hitting stop, record and
play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable with more
features than Finale and Sonar has the features of logic and
proTools combined. (The only reason why schools teach those 3 are
because they are advertised the most and are the
standard).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would really love to know if there is a way
schools can teach their blind students the technology they can use
when they only have technology that isn't accessible. (That way
students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of water trying to
figure out how to translate two languages when they know neither of
them!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brandon Keith Biggs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Check out<BR>MySpace: <A
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target=_blank>http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</A><BR>Also
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brandonboy13@comcast.net
href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brandonboy13@comcast.net"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brandonboy13@comcast.net">Brandon Keith (Biggs)</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=menvi-discuss@menvi.org
href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=menvi-discuss@menvi.org"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">This is for discussing
music and braille literacy</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to
accommodate music student</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Those 3 programs are very inaccessible.
ProTools is becoming more accessible, but it is still very difficult
to learn and operate. We are trying to get it better, but most blind
audio engineers use Sonar from Dancing Dots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I ran to a lot of the same problems your
student will face: No Sonar support at school and having to learn
everything on my own to do what my sighted classmates were doing
with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other people have any
suggestions for working with the translation barrier between
ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brandon Keith Biggs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Check out<BR>MySpace: <A
href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</A><BR>Also
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=moored14@lcc.edu
href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=moored14@lcc.edu"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:moored14@lcc.edu">Dianne
Moore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=Menvi-discuss@menvi.org
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to
accommodate music student</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>This Fall semester, one of the
students whom I serve will be taking the college Music Technology
class. This class is housed in a Mac lab where students use
Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic. This student uses JAWS as
her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not
compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>This student and I have already
planned to have a reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will
need to learn these programs for the course. Is it possible
for her to use these programs? What do I need to know to
accommodate her appropriately? How does she need to prepare
herself? Do we need totally different software programs for
her?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>I am not knowledgeable in music ed,
but I am responsible for providing her accommodations. Can any
of you give me some direction? I am currently researching the
three programs via goggle and their companies’ sites and support
links….attempting to learn as much as I can about these three
program accessibilities.<U></U><U></U></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Additionally, the course instructor and
the music dept. chair are currently on vacation and unavailable for me
to learn more about what this student needs to be able to do going in
to the course and what the student will be doing with these programs
in the weeks of the class.<U></U><U></U>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Meantime, time is passing and I need to
organize effective accommodations.<U></U><U></U>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Urgently seeking
direction,<U></U><U></U>
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