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<DIV>Just want to share my experience. I am the only blind student in the academy. The music course here also includes Music Technology class. The standard syllabus is to learn Cubase and Finale. These two softwares are not accessible at all for the blind. I told the academy and they let me to learn on my own way, with the softwares which are accessible for the blind. So, I am doing my projects with Lime and Sonar. I am in the last semester now. Everything works fine. It's true that I have to learn things on my own since the lecturer is more into Cubase, but he doesn't mind to teach things that he knows. He found that all recording softwares in Windows-based have similar function although they operate in different ways. I will ask help from people of Ddots-l list if there are things related to how blind users navigate and use Sonar with Cake Talking. </DIV>
<DIV>I hope this helps. The best way to accomodate blind students in this subject is to let him/her use softwares which are accessible. I think this student will get great help since he/she has a very open-minded and searching tutor. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for reading my sharing.</DIV>
<DIV>Winy.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 7/6/11, ethnerd <I><ethnerd@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#3333ff><FONT size=4><FONT face=garamond,serif>A good person to contact would be David Pinto at Academy of Music for the Blind. David writes the scripts for Sonar and I think one or two other music programs now (my daughter was one of his guinea pigs when he first started working with adapting music software for the blind). He's on vacation this week, but if you would like his contact information you can probably find it on the AMB website <A href="http://www.ouramb.org/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.ouramb.org</A> or you can write me privately for it. If the Mac accessibility suite won't cooperate with the software your student is supposed to learn, and Brandon certainly seems to know what he's talking about in that regard, your student might need to find some alternative to that class. At any rate, David might be able to help you out. He's pretty doggone brilliant.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#3333ff><FONT size=4><FONT face=garamond,serif>jeanie <BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv81068393gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brandon Keith (Biggs) <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brandonboy13@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:brandonboy13@comcast.net">brandonboy13@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Because these are extra programs not covered in the Mac or Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom Scientific will really be able to help you unfortunately. All they will say is Voice-Over works best with ProTools and Jaws works best with Sonar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are several listsirves of blind engineers that DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of DancingDots) should be able to assist you in getting the best set-up for your student. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But either the student or the school will need to get a windows machine with Sonar if the student is going to do anything more extensive than hitting stop, record and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale and Sonar has the features of logic and proTools combined. (The only reason why schools teach those 3 are because they are advertised the most and are the standard).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would really love to know if there is a way schools can teach their blind students the technology they can use when they only have technology that isn't accessible. (That way students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of water trying to figure out how to translate two languages when they know neither of them!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brandon Keith Biggs</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brandonboy13@comcast.net href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brandonboy13@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:brandonboy13@comcast.net">Brandon Keith (Biggs)</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=menvi-discuss@menvi.org href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=menvi-discuss@menvi.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org">This is for discussing music and braille literacy</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Those 3 programs are very inaccessible. ProTools is becoming more accessible, but it is still very difficult to learn and operate. We are trying to get it better, but most blind audio engineers use Sonar from Dancing Dots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I ran to a lot of the same problems your student will face: No Sonar support at school and having to learn everything on my own to do what my sighted classmates were doing with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other people have any suggestions for working with the translation barrier between ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brandon Keith Biggs</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=moored14@lcc.edu href="http://us.mc768.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=moored14@lcc.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:moored14@lcc.edu">Dianne Moore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be taking the college Music Technology class. This class is housed in a Mac lab where students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic. This student uses JAWS as her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>This student and I have already planned to have a reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will need to learn these programs for the course. Is it possible for her to use these programs? What do I need to know to accommodate her appropriately? How does she need to prepare herself? Do we need totally different software programs for her?<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for providing her accommodations. Can any of you give me some direction? I am currently researching the three programs via goggle and their companies’ sites and support links….attempting to learn as much as I can about these three program accessibilities.<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair are currently on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this student needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will be doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective accommodations.<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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<P class=yiv81068393MsoNormal>Urgently seeking direction,<U></U><U></U></DIV>
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