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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You asked:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>doesn't GOODFEEL come with Lime aloud and Sharp-eye?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, GOODFEEL Standard is actually a suite of software that includes GOODFEEL for automatic transcription of music into braille, Lime, a mainstream notation editor that has been made accessible to blind people with the Lime Aloud scripts, and SharpEye which is a music-scanning program.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<br>Bill<br><br>Bill McCann<br>Founder and President of Dancing Dots since 1992<br>www.DancingDots.com<br>Tel: [001] 610-783-6692</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandon Keith (Biggs)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> This is for discussing music and braille literacy<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hey Bill,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So doesn't Goodfeal come with Lime aloud and Sharp-eye?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Because I got a CD titled "Goodfeal" and I'm pretty sure I installed Lime.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brandon Keith Biggs</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Check out<br>MySpace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs">http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</a><br>Also add me on facebook! <br>brandonkeith<br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942</a><br>And for my resume go to: <br><a href="http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith">http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith</a> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:billlist1@comcast.net" title="billlist1@comcast.net">Bill</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:05 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org" title="menvi-discuss@menvi.org">'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Brandon, for your timely comments. One clarification though. Yu wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sibelius and GOODFEELS are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'>GOODFEEL provides braille music translation and is integrated with the Lime notation software. Lime is comparable to Sibelius and to Finale but only Lime combined with GOODFEEL can provide both an accessible “Talking Score” as well as automatic braille music transcription.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sonar has the features of logic and proTools combined.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, SONAR is Windows-based digital audio workstation software. Many of the concepts incorporated in SONAR such as quantizing, adding audio effects, mixing down to two-track stereo, are common between SONRA and Pro Tools/Logic. But these latter programs run under the Macintosh environment. The level of independent access to these Mac-based programs is not nearly as high as what we have achieved with access to SONR via the CakeTalking for SONAR scripts and tutorial.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>rds, Bill McCannage anyone who woullike to discuss specific siat 610-783-6692 Option 1. In call ns to give me a tuat<br>Founder and President of Dancing Dots since 1992<br><a href="http://www.DancingDots.com">www.DancingDots.com</a><br>Tel: [001] 610-783-6692</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org [mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces@menvi.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandon Keith (Biggs)<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> This is for discussing music and braille literacy<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Because these are extra programs not covered in the Mac or Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom Scientific will really be able to help you unfortunately. All they will say is Voice-Over works best with ProTools and Jaws works best with Sonar.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There are several listsirves of blind engineers that DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of DancingDots) should be able to assist you in getting the best set-up for your student. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But either the student or the school will need to get a windows machine with Sonar if the student is going to do anything more extensive than hitting stop, record and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable with more features than Finale and Sonar has the features of logic and proTools combined. (The only reason why schools teach those 3 are because they are advertised the most and are the standard).</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would really love to know if there is a way schools can teach their blind students the technology they can use when they only have technology that isn't accessible. (That way students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of water trying to figure out how to translate two languages when they know neither of them!)</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brandon Keith Biggs</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Check out<br>MySpace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs">http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</a><br>Also add me on facebook! <br>brandonkeith<br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942</a><br>And for my resume go to: <br><a href="http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith">http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith</a> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:brandonboy13@comcast.net" title="brandonboy13@comcast.net">Brandon Keith (Biggs)</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:menvi-discuss@menvi.org" title="menvi-discuss@menvi.org">This is for discussing music and braille literacy</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Those 3 programs are very inaccessible. ProTools is becoming more accessible, but it is still very difficult to learn and operate. We are trying to get it better, but most blind audio engineers use Sonar from Dancing Dots.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I ran to a lot of the same problems your student will face: No Sonar support at school and having to learn everything on my own to do what my sighted classmates were doing with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other people have any suggestions for working with the translation barrier between ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brandon Keith Biggs</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Check out<br>MySpace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs">http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs</a><br>Also add me on facebook! <br>brandonkeith<br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942</a><br>And for my resume go to: <br><a href="http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith">http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith</a> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:moored14@lcc.edu" title="moored14@lcc.edu">Dianne Moore</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Menvi-discuss@menvi.org" title="Menvi-discuss@menvi.org">Menvi-discuss@menvi.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be taking the college Music Technology class. This class is housed in a Mac lab where students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic. This student uses JAWS as her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This student and I have already planned to have a reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will need to learn these programs for the course. Is it possible for her to use these programs? What do I need to know to accommodate her appropriately? How does she need to prepare herself? Do we need totally different software programs for her?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for providing her accommodations. Can any of you give me some direction? I am currently researching the three programs via goggle and their companies’ sites and support links….attempting to learn as much as I can about these three program accessibilities.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair are currently on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this student needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will be doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective accommodations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Urgently seeking direction,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:20.0pt;font-family:"Rage Italic"'>Dianne Moore</span><span style='font-size:20.0pt;font-family:"Raavi","sans-serif"'>,</span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Raavi","sans-serif"'> </span><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>MA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Reader Services Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>GB204-32<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>517-483-5263<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Office of Disability Support Services<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"'>Lansing Community College<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Thank you for subscribing to MENVI. 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