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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Because these are extra programs not covered in the Mac or
Windows sweet, neither Apple or Freedom Scientific will really be able to help
you unfortunately. All they will say is Voice-Over works best with ProTools and
Jaws works best with Sonar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are several listsirves of blind engineers that
DancingDots has and Bill (The owner of DancingDots) should be able to assist you
in getting the best set-up for your student. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But either the student or the school will need to get a
windows machine with Sonar if the student is going to do anything more
extensive than hitting stop, record and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are
basically interchangeable with more features than Finale and Sonar has the
features of logic and proTools combined. (The only reason why schools
teach those 3 are because they are advertised the most and are the
standard).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would really love to know if there is a way schools can
teach their blind students the technology they can use when they only have
technology that isn't accessible. (That way students wouldn't flap around like a
fish out of water trying to figure out how to translate two languages when they
know neither of them!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=brandonboy13@comcast.net
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Those 3 programs are very inaccessible. ProTools is
becoming more accessible, but it is still very difficult to learn and operate.
We are trying to get it better, but most blind audio engineers use Sonar
from Dancing Dots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I ran to a lot of the same problems your student will
face: No Sonar support at school and having to learn everything on my own to do
what my sighted classmates were doing with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or
any other people have any suggestions for working with the translation barrier
between ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=moored14@lcc.edu
href="mailto:moored14@lcc.edu">Dianne Moore</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music
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<P class=MsoNormal>This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be
taking the college Music Technology class. This class is housed in a Mac
lab where students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic. This student uses
JAWS as her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not
compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This student and I have already planned to have a
reader/scribe in class with her; however, she will need to learn these programs
for the course. Is it possible for her to use these programs? What
do I need to know to accommodate her appropriately? How does she need to
prepare herself? Do we need totally different software programs for
her?<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for
providing her accommodations. Can any of you give me some direction?
I am currently researching the three programs via goggle and their companies’
sites and support links….attempting to learn as much as I can about these three
program accessibilities.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair
are currently on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this
student needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will
be doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective
accommodations.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Urgently seeking direction,<o:p></o:p></P>
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