[Menvi-discuss] SATB transcription questions

Chris Smart csmart8 at cogeco.ca
Mon Feb 11 19:24:16 UTC 2013 

as others have said Brandon, a lot of this is 
fixed by doing a lot more reading.



At 08:49 PM 2/10/2013, you wrote:
>Hello,
>Yes, a repeating word or phrase like 5 repeats 
>of “morning” in a row I only like repeats 
>with the Braille. Not many other times. In fact 
>I only really like word repeats, not musical 
>repeats as it is much more difficult to move 
>back along the musical line to find one’s 
>place than it is with the text.
>The hard part when finding the music line is 
>when you have multiple lines of music, multiple 
>lines of text or multiple lines of translation. 
>(That goes in any format. That throws off the 
>line count, so instead of counting 3 lines, you 
>have to count 5 lines to get to the music.
>I read some music where every couple lines there 
>is a dynamic marking and so that is why I 
>don’t like reading them over and over again. 
>Most sighted students don’t observe the long 
>musical symbols anyways when sight-reading. For 
>memorizing, it really doesn’t matter. I just 
>memorize the score. It is a little annoying when 
>I have a 2 line musical marking and one note on 
>the line because the musical marking is second 
>to last note of the line.
>Part of my problem is that I don’t read very 
>fast, so when we are singing in choir it is all 
>I can do to keep up without having any 
>interruption's. Any odd marking or extra line 
>makes me loose my place and I often times just 
>close my music and learn by ear because it is too complex.
>
>I do have a question, why aren’t measure 
>numbers standard before the music line in vocal music?
>Instead they are put on their own line.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>
>From: <mailto:tinatd at comcast.net>Tina Davidson
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:05 PM
>To: <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org>'This is for 
>discussing music and braille literacy'
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] SATB transcription questions
>
>Hi Brandon,
>My questions have nothing to do with standard 
>rules and the BANA music code but rather about 
>the different ways the music can be presented. 
>We transcribers have slightly different styles 
>in how we show vocal music because it is a 
>combination of text and music. I try to use my 
>best musical judgment but I’m not the one who 
>has to memorize it in the end. I was just curious about what you think.
>
>Some of the things you mention are interesting 
>but I think others might have a bit of trouble 
>following. The whole point of the text is to 
>give the number of syllables that match the 
>music beneath (including slurs and ties that 
>determine when the next syllable is sung.) 
>Therefore, very, very long lines of music might 
>work for “Kyrie Eleison” but there are not 
>many other cases where this would be practical.
>
>Also, there shouldn’t be any confusion between 
>the text line (cell one) and the music line 
>(cell three) so I’m not sure what sort of 
>transcriptions you are reading, unless it might 
>be very old paragraph form or something I’m not familiar with.
>
>Dynamics, tempo markings etc. can be cumbersome 
>the first time you are reading the braille, but 
>the second time through should be a little 
>easier. Long music directions are usually 
>separated from the music (between word signs, 
>above the music line) so that it doesn’t get 
>in the way of the melody, as you point out.
>
>Thanks for your comments and best of luck with 
>your studies and memorizing a zillion scores.
>
>Tina
><http://www.ctdcreations.com>www.ctdcreations.com
>
>
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>[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On 
>Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:24 PM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] SATB transcription questions
>
>Hello,
>As few things between each note and the text is 
>best. I must have measure numbers, always, never 
>a time without measure numbers. If you have 
>measure numbers nothing else matters. I don’t 
>need to know when the page changes. Knowing that 
>page 60 to 63 is on that page is nice, but I 
>don’t really need to know if I have measure numbers.
>If for some reason measure numbers aren’t 
>possible, Each page tern needs to be on its own 
>line, each rehearsal marking needs to be on its 
>own line. I hate trying to scan through the 
>music lines, looking for the page terns.
>
>I haven’t formed an opinion about queues yet, 
>I’ve never had them. But perhaps a measure may 
>be nice, put in parenthesis. Or the piano part. 
>It is not that important though as it is faster 
>to hear the people next to us start and just memorize it.
>Just say “repeat the word 10000 times” and 
>keep the music going. As little interruption 
>between the music as possible. There should be a 
>mark though, letting me know when the music is 
>on the next line or if there is a word line on the next line.
>
>Long notes are most important. Try to end on a 
>rest though if there is a choice. I need time to 
>find my way to the next part of the line. But 
>don’t worry about the lyrics, we hardly read 
>them anyways, or when we do we are just looking 
>for the next word, not where it is.
>Another thing, put D, C, R, but:
>poco rit, e dim
>is just way to much for a line. I personally 
>would like those put as a footnote.
>Also, I love measure numbers before the music 
>under the lyrics if there are measure numbers. 
>This makes it easy to read without the annoyance 
>of finding where the translation or lyrics end 
>and where the music starts again.
>I also don’t like it when the words go onto 
>more than one line, That breaks my flow and gets 
>me more lost than if I find myself on the wrong page.
>Is there any way where we can let Bana know what 
>works about the official format and what doesn’t?
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>
>From: <mailto:tinatd at comcast.net>Tina Davidson
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:31 AM
>To: <mailto:menvi-discuss at menvi.org>menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>Subject: [Menvi-discuss] SATB transcription questions
>
>Hi Everyone,
>As a transcriber, I have a few questions for 
>braille choral music readers on the list, 
>pertaining to the way the music is laid out for 
>ease of memorization. The questions are about 
>your individual parts in a SATB chorus. Your 
>answers might depend on whether or not you use 
>your braille during rehearsals or always 
>memorize everything before rehearsals.
>
>1) Are cues helpful? Let’s say you don’t 
>come in for more than 10 measures and you follow 
>the Tenors. Would it help to know, within the 
>transcription,  what the Tenors are singing in 
>one or two bars before you enter?
>
>2) Suppose you are singing a “Kyrie Eleison” 
>and these words are repeated a zillion times. Do 
>you prefer to have the music divided frequently, 
>showing one “Kyrie Eleison” at a time (which 
>could be 5-10 measures), or do you prefer to 
>have the braille condensed a bit more by showing 
>two or three “Kyrie Eleisons” and several 
>lines of music that run over?
>
>3) Other text: do you prefer to have the lyrics 
>presented in a full sentence or stanza (usually 
>ending with a comma or period and 
>end-of-thought). Or do you prefer to have the 
>text line end with a word that is the end of a 
>full measure—while still trying to avoid any split words and hyphens?
>
>4) Do you care if page turn indications are 
>approximate (not interrupting a tied note or the 
>completion of the text) or do you prefer the 
>exact location of a page turn, even if it’s in 
>the middle of a phrase? Obviously, if there are 
>rehearsal numbers or letters, the page turns 
>won’t be that critical to your memorization.
>
>I appreciate your feedback and please feel free 
>to share your answer with the group or send me 
>your opinions privately to tinatd at comcast.net
>
>Tina
><http://www.ctdcreations.com>www.ctdcreations.com
>
>
>
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