[Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Wed Jul 6 04:05:08 UTC 2011

Thanks, Brandon, for your timely comments.  One clarification though.  Yu
wrote:

Ø  Sibelius and GOODFEELS are basically interchangeable with more features
than Finale 

GOODFEEL provides braille music translation and is integrated with the Lime
notation software.  Lime is comparable to Sibelius and to Finale but only
Lime combined with GOODFEEL can provide both an accessible “Talking Score”
as well as automatic braille music transcription.

Ø  Sonar has the features of  logic and proTools combined.

Yes, SONAR is Windows-based digital audio workstation software.  Many of the
concepts incorporated in SONAR such as quantizing, adding audio effects,
mixing down to two-track stereo, are common between SONRA and Pro
Tools/Logic.  But these latter programs run under the Macintosh environment.
The level of independent access to these Mac-based programs is not nearly as
high as what we have achieved with access to SONR via the CakeTalking for
SONAR scripts and tutorial.

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[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith (Biggs)
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:14 PM
To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Because these are extra programs not covered in the Mac or Windows sweet,
neither Apple or Freedom Scientific will really be able to help you
unfortunately. All they will say is Voice-Over works best with ProTools and
Jaws works best with Sonar.

There are several listsirves of blind engineers that DancingDots has and
Bill (The owner of DancingDots) should be able to assist you in getting the
best set-up for your student. 

But either the student or the school will need to get a windows machine with
Sonar if the student is going to do anything more extensive than hitting
stop, record and play. Sibelius and Goodfeal are basically interchangeable
with more features than Finale and Sonar has the features of  logic and
proTools combined. (The only reason why schools teach those 3 are because
they are advertised the most and are the standard).

I would really love to know if there is a way schools can teach their blind
students the technology they can use when they only have technology that
isn't accessible. (That way students wouldn't flap around like a fish out of
water trying to figure out how to translate two languages when they know
neither of them!)

Thanks,

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From: Brandon Keith (Biggs) <mailto:brandonboy13 at comcast.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:53 PM

To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
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Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

Hello,

Those 3 programs are very inaccessible. ProTools is becoming more
accessible, but it is still very difficult to learn and operate. We are
trying to get it better, but most blind audio engineers use Sonar from
Dancing Dots.

I ran to a lot of the same problems your student will face: No Sonar support
at school and having to learn everything on my own to do what my sighted
classmates were doing with instruction. I'm not sure if Bill or any other
people have any suggestions for working with the translation barrier between
ProTools and Sonar or using ProTools, Logic and Finale.

Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

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From: Dianne Moore <mailto:moored14 at lcc.edu>  

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:34 AM

To: Menvi-discuss at menvi.org 

Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Please help needed to accommodate music student

This Fall semester, one of the students whom I serve will be taking the
college Music Technology class.  This class is housed in a Mac lab where
students use Finale, Pro Tools, and Pro Logic.  This student uses JAWS as
her screen reader yet Freedom Scientific tells us that JAWS is not
compatible with Mac nor with Pro Logic.

This student and I have already planned to have a reader/scribe in class
with her; however, she will need to learn these programs for the course.  Is
it possible for her to use these programs?  What do I need to know to
accommodate her appropriately?  How does she need to prepare herself?  Do we
need totally different software programs for her?

I am not knowledgeable in music ed, but I am responsible for providing her
accommodations.  Can any of you give me some direction?  I am currently
researching the three programs via goggle and their companies’ sites and
support links
.attempting to learn as much as I can about these three
program accessibilities.

Additionally, the course instructor and the music dept. chair are currently
on vacation and unavailable for me to learn more about what this student
needs to be able to do going in to the course and what the student will be
doing with these programs in the weeks of the class.

Meantime, time is passing and I need to organize effective accommodations.

Urgently seeking direction,

Dianne Moore, MA

Reader Services Coordinator

GB204-32

517-483-5263

Office of Disability Support Services

Lansing Community College

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